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Does anyone have experience with muzzleloading rifles made by this firm? The Dixie Gun Works catalog has several listed for sale that look well made and are fairly reasonably priced.
 

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Yes ,I have there 45.cal flintlock, 50.cal frontier,and lately a 32.cal squirrel rifle.If you want a good flintlock rifle there frontier is a very accurate rifle.Stay away from the single trigger models.You'll aways like the set tiggers.Farrerhaven.
 

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I have a .54 Tryon and a 10 ga. s x s shotgun. I love them both. The accuracy of the Tryon is great. 5 shots = one ragged hole at 50 yds. Fit and finish are exceptional.

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i take issue with pedersolli to thier hit and run tacktics.. they are like modern manufacturers, where one run of product does not match the next.. parts are unavailable in many instances, gunsmiths hate to work on them, thier trilgger steel can be soft, their screw in chokes are notoriously off, ..
after the warranty is over they dont want to hear from you.. if you fall in love with your peddersolly and need a part 5 years from now it will have to made by a real pro, costing maybe the difference between what you are paying now and what a good american made custom gun will cost now.. if you shoot it several times a year or want a starter gun it will be fine.. this same argument rages on the sharpes pages for cartridge pedersoli guns. the pedersoli fans talk thier accuracy up and recite won contests.. then an old timer will chime in, if you go to nationals and your winning the match and your gun breaks a fireing pin your done.. unless you bring your own parts and have a gunsmith handy to put them in.. usa gun parts are carried by guys on the line and can be put in in short order.. my opinion only.. i started with pedersoli, and have two nice guns by them, but they are no match for a good chambers flintlock or gun comperable to it.. but as i stated a good starter gun.. i just got back from a sporting clays round last night, 25 rounds with a flint lock 16 guage i made from a chambers kit with a virginia lock.. 25 rounds, no missfires, no precieveable lag in ignition, if i wanted i could knapp the flint in the gun and do another 25.. my pedersoli mortimer could only do this in its dreams... dave..
 

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. then an old timer will chime in, if you go to nationals and your winning the match and your gun breaks a fireing pin your done.. dave..
"fireing pin"?? (on the Trad ml rifle & shotgun thread?)

fffffg sure let us know what he knows with that post :-D



'i'd rather be thought a fool,,than speak and remove all doubt" (roy rogers)
 

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fffffg said:
. then an old timer will chime in, if you go to nationals and your winning the match and your gun breaks a fireing pin your done.. dave..
"fireing pin"?? (on the Trad ml rifle & shotgun thread?)

fffffg sure let us know what he knows with that post :-D



'i'd rather be thought a fool,,than speak and remove all doubt" (roy rogers)

I was curious if you had read your own signature?
Oh, and by the way, it is Samuel Johnson.
 

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to me its worth alot.. not becouse its a pedersoli, but becouse of all the ducks and a pheasant i shot with it.. we dont have many pheasants neare helena and i dont pay to hunt... it is a 12 guage and i went thru tremendous pains to have a local gunsmith remove the soldered under rib from the barrel.. i sent it to a master well known years ago back east to have it jug choked, and he made me promise not to tell that he did it, (liability reasaons and it was a labor of love not for money. ) the jug choke came out perfetc full choke. this gun if i do my part will drop a duck at 45 yards number four bismuth.. a FANTASTIC PREFORMER.).. new lock 200 dolars or more now.. i oredered a barrel so i would have a smoothie cylinder bore from flintlocks etc. it came with a dogleg in it and the breach plug was a half inch too long for the flash hole to line up.. that isnt the biggest problem,, the lock is too small to easily knapp in the lock, and it is a lock crusher, sparks great for about 5-7 shots then the flint is too chewed up to get a reliable spark.. it is a fantastic gun, but its just a hairlick off from being right.. pedersoli is a love hate relationship for me, the sxs i have i spent months grinding chokes to make it shoot on.. if you grind them egg shape you can change an ex full choke to move about up to 8 inches, but it hase to be taken out to be cleanedand test shot to see if it is on befoer you compete, ive wont two state championships with it.. and the triggors is a horror storry.. .. nice looking guns but they need tremendous work to get them right.. great introductory guns but not for serious hunting and competition.. i will love to talk more about this, dont have time to proof this and have to go to church.. thanks for not skinning me alive for my comments.. dave.. i ll post some green heads i shot with the mortimer at 20 below tonight.. it really helps to have choke in very cold weather for best results becouse of the very dence air.. dave..
 

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Save over half th money for a Pedersoli and buy a Lyman Great Plain rifle with slow roundball or fast bullet twist.
They are half the money as good as Pedersoli's "poor day" quality and can be dressed up by the home handiman to look like a custom rifle at 1/3rd the cost.
 

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Ya know, I have thought about doing just that. The Lyman GPR in 1-60" twist looks good to me. In flint and 54 caliber, of course! :lol:
 

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tn rifleman,, i guess i didnt make it clear, whether its a rifle or a shot gun or pistol,, if the lock, vent, breach, design isnt right youve got an expensive piece of crap... rifling, looks, cost, twist, caliber,stock design lines, wood type, and finish quality wont matter if you sit for 7 mornings waiting for that buck at dawn and you finnaly get the shot and your gun goes pphhhhhhhht....... its not common on the first shot, but pattent breaches (which for some damn reason the mass producers like) have extra distance between the flash hole, or cap.. oiling after cleaning complicates this and can increase ignition problems. hopefully the pedersoli rifles dont have patten breaches on their flintlocks, if they do that is the question you should be asking.. a properly made touch hole liner is coned on the inside, and doesnt go into a patten breach.. jim chambers white lightning touchhole liner is a good example..these liners brings the main charge closer to the primer, and are less likely to clog, and are easier to clean out between shots in the field.. jim sells these liners and they could fix alot of guns that are having touchhole problems... ..the powder should set just below the vent hole and have enough 4fg in the pan to fire a 32 s&w pistol cartrige by my way of thinking.. the flint should be 3/4 inch wide minimum, 7/8 to one inch wide better... the pan in my round faced lock is raised into the frizen cover so it is sealed to some extent from the weather.. the lock should be designed so the sparks fly into the pan, not in front of or behind,but right into the center.. right off, not at the end of the stroke.. this can be checked in a dark room.. the shorter the throw from full cock to the frizzen,the better, and if the flint is too sharp and it gets stuck half way down it should still fire... how does this happen?,, the pan has to be wide, that is front to back so as the frizzen lifts its catching sparks as it opens all the way until it flips over, a good lock can have a pan (front to back) of up to 3/4 of an inch and 3/4 inch wide... a lip curving up behind the pan on the hammer side will throw early striking sparks into the pan... im not a lock smith, and i realize im not entirely correct here, but i just wanted you to see that your not popping a primer in a case thats going to simply go off every time here.. the ignition primer is about 3/8 inch away from the charge in a improperly made gun.. sometimes further.. it has to go from point a to point b every time, sharp flint, dull flint,, dirty frizzen, high humidity, cold weather... all this has to do with rifles or shotguns it doesnt matter which.. whats my point? entry level mass produced, imported guns (rifles in your case) just dont have the quality/ design/craftsmanship to do this on every gun.. ... and pedersoli is an entry level, gun... now the next point, why do i have a hair up my xxxx about pedersolii.. becouse if you contact them after the warrenty for parts, service, questions, or any reason whatsoever, they will probably not answere you, they wont talk to you , they wont care if your even alive.. theyve gotten your money... its not just pedersolli, its the way of the modern world... im just trying to save some beginners the greif of the learning experience.. if you get a good one youve got a good one and they put out many that are good, great in fact... but they are not all great, they are not guarenteed to be great, .. dave...
 

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lyman stands behind thier products, parts are accecable, gunsmiths are happy to work on them, and .54 cal is a real winner.. im not sure but i think one of the better lock companies make quality lock replacements for the lyman flintlock.. so if you have trouble with it, or want a better lock some rifles have a replaceable lock. . ive heard tc has replaced thier lock, and they also have replacements by one or more after market quality companies.. , but i would also recomend a lyman for an entry level flintlock rifle.. . dave.. the rouges gallery at mlml where my duck photo is, is down so i cant put it on tonight like i promised.. i dont know if it is available anymore?
 

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Pedersoli rifles

TNrifleman, I have 4 Pedersoli muzzle loaders, 1 perc. and 3 flinters, including a .54 Cabela Blue Ridge. While Ill admit the stocks are a bit plain I have had good to really good accuracy and reliability out all of them. My .54 is the least accurate of them, ( 2 to 3 inch groups at 100 yards) but I think this is due to not having worked up a good load yet.As far as problems getting parts I cant say as Ive never needed any. This includes 45-70 Sharps replica that Ive had since 1994 and fired over a thousand rounds through. I also have a Lyman GPR in .50 cal. and it is very accurate and reliable also. In case you were unaware of it Cabelas sells the Pedersoli Frontier Rifle under the name Blue Ridge, and ask from $429.00 to $ 449.00 for them, depending on perc. or flint and caliber. Hope this helps.
 

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fffffg,
There are a ton of people that have perfectly acceptable Pedersoli rifles and shotguns. They might not be as picky, but that varies with the individual.

I did notice that most of your weapons appear to be "worked on" by you or others. I tend to wonder if those rifles and shotguns acted substandard, or became substandard after you or others modified them?

Or are you just the most unlucky person in the world getting rifles and shotguns that constantly fail to fire, and fall apart at every major competition?

It is nice to see though, someone who will fill volumes on whats bad with something and what's great only after they put their hands to it. More negative people in the world are needed. Keep up the great work.

C F

You know, I worried about sending this. But what the heck, life is too short as it is.
 

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thank you cf,,your humble and lovable,
,and much better at saying what I think than me :D
 

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After 18 years of use, had to reharden the frizzen on a Pedersoili .32...not too bad, had much worse luck with T/C's. Also broke the ram rod...but .32 rods are kind of thin, and breaking one that thin and long isn't all that unusual.

While I was at it, changed out the vent as well...figured it had eroded enough to need it (although it fired fine, was a bit of jetting).

Been another 5 years, nothing has gone wrong yet...spring still in place and working, trigger hasn't worn out the sear, and other than a few hunting dings, even the stock is still looking good.

This one is marked "Garrett Arms Norfork Va " on the bright polished lock, but it's a Perdersoil.
 

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<Or are you just the most unlucky person in the world getting rifles and shotguns that constantly fail to fire, and fall apart at every major competition? >

you are the moderator and i do not wish to raise your ire... to answer this and not cause further problems ill list guns i have and have not had trouble with...
inherintly good guns ive owned,, jim chambers 16 gauge mark silver, ruger bp six shooter, i forget its name.. both these guns get an a..

fair guns that ive owned.. 12 gauge mortimer shotgun, cva 50 cal flintlock, thompson center pensylvania match, 69 cal boot flintlock pistol.. get c..

poor quality bp guns- pedersoli 10 ga sxs.. flintlock pistol kit, dont know the name 50 cal.. get a d-f..

so the answer is, not not all guns fall apart on me, just some.. the volumns that you refer to were ment to show what is right with a flintlock.. when you get a bad pedersoli there is no recorce after the warranty,and few parts. track of the wolf will back up what im saying, call them if you wish, they stopped carrying pedersolli becouse of what im saying, they wont/cant take care of problems..... remington, ruger, winchester, colt, smith and wesson, jim chambers, tva, lyman, thompson center, and many others do not treat thier customers this way.. ....... sorry to intrude.. dave
 

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Dave - fffffg,
Just cause I'm a moderator don't mean snot. You have the right to say what you think and how you feel without being censored, provided you don't call people names etc. So speak your piece. I opened my mouth (keyboard) and if you disagree, you have your right to say so.

I feel that you are biased against Pedersoli's. I feel that they are quality weapons and are well made. You have every right to prove to me that I'm wrong.

C F

ps You have not caused any problems.
 
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