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I saw this on another site
thought you guys would like to see it.
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I seen the question posted back a few weeks ago asking about a new world record bear. I had heard stories previous to that post, and have since heard more rumors about this bear. For those who are curious and were wanting to know more, here you go... http://www.performancebowhunting.com/galleryenlarge4.htm Based on the info given at this site, the green score is 1/16" larger than the current world record tie. If it was shot in May the 60 day drying period is over, so does anyone know the word? Did it hold up to be the new number one, or did it shrink up and drop below the uno standing? Either way, looks like a happy hunter and one great bear.
 

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28-8/16 must be the world record for archery it's sure not the biggest killed with a gun. I have 4 in my shop now about that size. The biggest is 28-11/16 and 3/4" of the nose bone is missing from a fight. It would be at least 30" if not much bigger! I know of a couple that are over 30" but those are very few and far between. 28" is the minimum just to enter a brownie with a gun, so 28.5 would not likely put this one even in the top 100 I bet. I'll check my book..................

Ok 28-8/16 will get you a tie for 213th place so it's certainly not a new world record bear but maybe for archery it is? B&C Record is 30-12/16" . That;s 2 full inches bigger.


Having cleaned 1000's of bear skulls in the last 12 years I can honestly say if it's green scored 1/16 over the Number 1 it will never dry that big!

I would guess it will lose a minimum of an 1/8" which is only a 1/16" in width and a 1/16 in length. If the skull gets boiled it will likely lose over a 1/4 inch, maybe much more. I shot a 8 year old black bear last year that scored 20-3/16" I let the bugs clean it and and then I let it dry for the 60 days. It is now just a tiny hair over 20" just under 20-1/16" barely making ithe minimum for the B&C records. That bear with much less mass lost just almost 3/16" so a bigger mass will likely lose more just by proportional mass.

The older a bear is the less it will shrink because the conneceting plates which make up the skull are usually fused together preventing them from moving or shifting when the skull dries. A young bear at 20" will end up well under 20" but a very old bear over 10 years old will likely retain almost all it's size unless boiled.

Green scores are difficult to have exact but almost never smaller then then the finished dry skull. There is a panel of ten people who must measure all top ten entries. They will all score the skull independantly and then average them for the final total. This only happens for the top skulls not every one of them. It's certainly a huge bear, nothing short of magnificent.
 

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hi jj
Yes guess i should of posted that as archery Record.YA know back when my my dad was a boy on kodiak they killed a old boar in the village
thats skull is about 30 inches long i still have it and it has numerous old bullets embeeded in it all cast lead 11 in all and the muzzle had been broken and bone grew around some of the bullets.The story is this bear
had been shot by some men a few years before with 45-90 and the bear killed one of them i have a news clipping.
The old bear ran off and survived then a few years later a fisherman
was mauled and shot the bear in the head with a 45 long colt six times again the old bear ran off to show up again some three years later
trying to get into gramps cabin well gramps was a little hung over and as mean as any bear so he shot it in the eye with a 4 boar as it was coming in the window and i have the skull.Is it possible to clean a 90 year old skull and polish it upand keep the bullets all in place.
Interestingly as Latley there have been two or three differnt bears killed
in defense of life in alaska that have shortened and lenghtend skulls do to bullet scares wonder how that would be taken into scoring.
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If there is a crack in the skull it will not be scored by B&C. At least nobody I know who scores will do it!

I have heard from a guy that if the damage has nothing to do with the size he would. I belive that would fly. I just don't see to many damaged skulls that could be actually scored.

We do so many old skulls to refurbish them. Lead bullets will survive the process but steel will rust. I'm sure if there was steel in this skull you would know by now.

I would like to see this old bruin and clean it up for you. Sounds like and interesting piece of natural history, with some very interesting pathology!
 
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