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Well, I went and done it... Made my wallet a little lighter and ordered a 14" 30-30 and 10" .30 Herrett from Ed along with the dies for the .30 Herrett.

I have plenty of loads for the 30-30, but was wondering about the .30 Herrett.

What are the procedures for forming the brass? Anyone have any special loads for it?

Thanks :p
 

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Reloading and case forming for the 30 Herre

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A personal opinion only...


First of all, my apologies to anyone out there that really likes this particular cartridge. I think it's a piece of crap!

I reloaded this for a "friend" who had purchased one of those Thompson Center Contenders in this God-forsaken caliber.

Why he couldn't pick a cartridge that had factory brass available for it, I'll never know. Why I accepted his challenge to load for this abomination, I'll never know!

First step was to get a bunch of .30-30 Remington brass together. Then came the running of that brass through a set of RCBS full-length resizing dies, in several distinct steps, AT 1/16TH OF A TURN OF THE DIE BETWEEN EACH STEP, so as to not crumble or crush the cases, or screw-up the headspace!

After each adjustment of the sizing die it was necessary to get an RCBS trim die, and a damn good hacksaw blade, and cut off a mile-and-a-half of excess neck brass. Naturally, it was then necessary to file the edges fairly smooth with one file, then apply another finer file to get all the burrs out.

Try the case in the Thompson to see if the action closed, and when it didn't, run the brass through the resizing die, turned down another 1/16th of a turn, saw off the excess, file the edges twice, and do it all over again ... until the action closed!

And the case forming story goes on...the final steps were to chamfer the inside and outside edges of the cases.

All this work, and not a single grain of powder was dropped...I had cuts, bruises and calluses on my poor young hands!

At the time I did this, there was extremely limited loading data available on the .30 Herrett (this "friend" had to be the first kid on the block with almost everything), so since I had a bunch of Winchester 680 lying around that I was never gonna use, I figured that this would be a good start.

I started my loads at 15 grains, being conservative, and worked up to 20 grains in 1 grain increments. Every load sucked! Maybe it was the bullet my friend insisted I use...the 150 grain Sierra round nose!

There were no pressure problems at 20 grains so I went up to 24 grains, at 0.5 grain increments (wasn't gonna push my luck). When I got up to 23 grains there were some signs of pressure, and the cases fell in love with the chamber of that Thompson and refused to leave it!

I then started the process all over again, at 20 grains and stopped at 22 grains, working in 0.5 grain increments. It made no difference what the powder load was in that range! Velocities were all over the place, and there really wasn't anything I could call a "group" at 100 yards. The best was 5 shots that measured around 5-inches with 22 grains. So that is where I left it!

My friend was most impressed...according to him that was "good enough" for deer. (geesh!)

I offered him some advice as to what to do with that firearm and that caliber, and if he took it, I hope that the proctologist had as much fun with it as I did!!!

For loading data, http://stevespages.com/page8c.htm
 

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:) Steve, sounds like you had a lot of fun with the .30 Herrett!!!

I found that you can get 100 new cases formed and ready to go from EBACO for $30.00 I will probably only need that many for the rest of my days anyhow. So after hearing your fun times, I think it will be well spent.

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Bill In SC
 

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Reloading and case forming for the 30 Herre

:) Come on now Steve admit it the .30 Herrett is really your favorite and you're just trying to keep others from buying barrels so you can get them all right? :-D

I have one and have a bunch of ammo all loaded up for it but haven't even pulled the trigger on it yet. Heck I have several guns and barrels in about that status and am supposed to go pick up another gun tomorrow. Oh well gives me something to look forward to.

I made my cases for the .30 and .357 Herrett from .30-30 cases since I have 2000-3000 of them on hand. Wasn't that bad using the Forster Power Case Trimmer really. Still if I had to buy cases for it then I'd get those EABCo. has and save the hassle. In 10" barrels the Herretts really do shine.

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Graybeard said:
:) Come on now Steve admit it the .30 Herrett is really your favorite and you're just trying to keep others from buying barrels so you can get them all right? :-D

I made my cases for the .30 and .357 Herrett from .30-30 cases since I have 2000-3000 of them on hand. Wasn't that bad using the Forster Power Case Trimmer really.
GB
Well, like I said, when I did the work-up, there was not "factory" brass for the Herretts, and a power trimmer? There wasn't any such animal then, either.

I suffered through this experience in 1972 or 1973...
 

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Geeze, I had no idea I was so lucky while making my brass. I actualy ran the cases up into the sizing die only once and took the handle off my Forster trimmer and chucked the base in the drill press. I burned through the trimming process in around 30 minutes for 50 cases. Some had hydraulic dimples in the shoulder but they disappeared after the first firing. The whole process was fun and just an extension of the sport. I enjoy making my 256 Winchester as well. ****, if I got aggravated for every unproductive minute spent on this hobby, I would resort to conventional calibers too. :)
 

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:? I guess I just don't understand the problem with case forming! It's just part of the sport. I love the Herrett's and don't mind making the cases. I enjoy shooting something that not just anyone with a couple bucks can buy ammo for at the local walley world. Every time I shoot one of these rounds it's a product of my own knowledge. Noone to blame if it isn't right. Noone to take the credit but me when it's perfect.
 

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Dang, I never knew it was supposed to be so difficult to make Herrett brass.
I guess starting with making 219 Donaldson Wasp (30-30) and 6.5X257 ( from 30 cal machine gun brass) cases back in the 60s in a hand trimmer and special forming die starter we ( John Hannah and I) made I thought 30 and 357 Herrett were a breeze.
I just pulled the expander out of the Lee (30) and RCBS (?) (357) Herrett dies, lubed the cases with plain old Lee case lube and ran a hundred or two of each.
Little time with the Lyman trimmer made for the drill press and I was ready for the final trim to length. Truth be known I think with a little bit of effort the drill press trimmer would bring them to final length just fine.

Quick load with some cast bullets and some time at the range forming shoulders and I was ready to go.
At this point I put the 10" 30 Herrett away for over 10 years.

Neck in the 10" is terribly oversize, but when returned to TC they said it was in spec :shock: , now you know why I set it aside.

Will send a hundred or so downrange tomorrow in the 10 and 14 inch barrels to finalize data to hunt Sunday!

Just now loading the 10" and 14" to hunt this year! Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I know, better late than never!

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I picked out my 100 30-30 brass the other day and put them in plastic boxes. That is what I did to get started. This will probably be the longest process. I can run the brass thru the rock chucker, trim the excess neck with my little chop saw, run them thru the lyman power trimmer, run them over the rcbs trim mate, and be ready to shoot them before christmas!

The 30 herret is no 7 tcu or 357 max. You cannot get a 300 whisper load even close. This is an animal unto itself.

Better get out my gloves to avoid those blisters!

Steve
 
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