Reloads

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Mikey

Discussion Starter · Dec 9, 2002

CK: The arguement has been put forth, and I believe by Massad Ayoob, that the use of reloaded ammunition may be seen (notice I said 'may') by some DAs as a cause to charge that you were out looking to use the gun. This would or could be interpreted as pre-meditated, in which case you have a tougher uphill battle.

There has also been some discussion and thought given to the idea that since you can't really reload anything better that what the factories currently produce for Police and Law Enforcement, even handloads cannot be viewed as being more destructive or inhumane.

My only concern for reloads is their reliability. Factory quality control is very good to excellent these days. Your chances of finding your pistol or revolver loaded with a cartridge that will not detonate is extremely slim - but it does happen. If you could guarantee better results or reliability with handloads then you could use them.

I cannot recall if I have seen a handgun load come along in the past 10 years, for carry purposes, that really outclasses anything we used to be able to handload. Hollowpoints and softnoses don't do any better than semi-wadcutters, or straight wadcutters for that matter. 10 mms or 40s don't do any better than 45s with ball, and the pocket rockets usually work best or function more reliably with ball than not.

So you really need to ask yourself if it is worth it to chance the concern of reliability more than legality. Hope this helps. Mikey.

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KING

· #3 · Dec 10, 2002

Reloads for Self Defense Carry?

:grin: DO NOT...and I repeat..DO NOT,carry reloads in your self defense handgun. Use only factory ammo. I would hate to have the perps atty say that the factory ammo was not destructive enough for you so ya had ta role yer own. Which,will occure............King

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KING

· #8 · Dec 16, 2002

Reloads for Self Defense Carry?

If its any consolation to what type of rounds you are carrying in your guns you might find the following bit of information interesting. In 84 rather large(604,280 lb.,) individual held up a liquor store. At the time he was about as cranked as your could get on PCP. When the good guys got there he opened up with a .45 that he used in the holdup. He was hit four times in the chest area with 12 gauge slugs. He was also hit three times with 12 gauge buckshot rounds. No I think that pretty much all of us are familiar with these rounds and the point is that he was being hit inside of 25 feet. He also received 5 chest hits with thte officers duty handguns. At this time I think that they were carring .38. The bad guy still remained on his feet and was still shooting. The story ends when one of the good guys punched him in the back of the head with a .38..a CNS hit. At that point the bad guy hit the ground and the firefight was over. This entire incident took place in under 30 seconds,seeing that there was about 5 cops on the scene at the time of the fight. The point is. If they are cranked up,they aint going down unless it is a CNS type of hit. It made no difference what he was being hit with,he felt no pain and no one told him that he was dead yet. King :twisted:

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KING

· #10 · Dec 30, 2002

Reloads for Self Defense Carry?

Where ya will here the problem guys is in a civil court. If the pros. is looking at you on a bad shoot,its not going to make a lot of differance on what ya shot the bad guy with. Again,the only way a pros. is going to look at you is if it is a bad shoot,not your ammo. If ya pop a bad guy today,you will get sued civilly fer sure, It just goes with the action. If you are in civil court,and the pros. did state that yer shoot was justafiable,then the only thing his relatives(that bad guys) can attack you on is your ammo that you used,caliber of gun(,44 mag,with hopped up loads,fer carring inna city etc.),or the fact that ya took a loving father with nineteen kids away from his family. OOOOps gotta go,im being paged. king

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KING

· #11 · Dec 30, 2002

Reloads for Self Defense Carry?

Sorry guys,im back again. The other problem is if ya maim the dipstick and dont kill em. We had a good shoot,where the LEO,tapped the bad guy 5 otta five in the chest. He went down fer the count. The shoot was justafied by the pros,cause he had a knife. The only living relative was the sister (who called us inna first place,cause he was raising **** and breaking up her residence.,he also had raped her three weeks earlier)and now she was saying,after the fact,how nice he was. That civil trial went in the tubes fast,but it still occured. In my career I dont know of where anyone has had to defend himself in criminal court just based on the ammunition that he had used. But I do know of several where in a civil action,the judge did not like that he was using a special handload that he had developed. The thought was " that the commercially made ammo was not,potent,enough,so now you had to go and make yer own so you can be more sure of the results." I was a cop for 32 years and carried every day of that career,but,I carried factory ammo. King If this pager goes off one more time,its gunna be in pieces !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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