[Zachary]

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I'm curious if the new WC scopes are identical to the old ones. Again, I have never owned a Trashco, but I have heard pretty good things about the WCs.

As to the weaver, I think they are a lot better than the tascos, but I have other scopes that I would recommend over the Weavers.

Tell me the ABSOLUTE MAXIMIUM you are willing to spend on a scope.

Zachary

 

[Zachary]

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Softpoint,

Go to www.dnrsports.com. For about $30 buck more, you can get a Bushnell Elite 3200 for about $150. The 2x-7x is about $140 somthing, and the 3x-9x is about $150 something.

The elite 3200 is a much better scope. You will love it.

More than that, if you buy the scope before Dec. 31, then you will get a free rain jacket. (Bushnell says it has a value of $99 - I don't know, but a friend of mine has one and it's really nice.)

Actually, I also bought an Elite scope (the 4200 model) and I am also expecting my jacket any day now.

As such, the Elite would really be LESS EXPENSIVE than the Weaver, PLUS the ELITE 3200 has RAINGUARD which actually works!

You will be VERY HAPPY with the Elite 3200 over the Weaver - I promise!!!!!!

Zachary

 

[Graybeard]

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Dunno who owns the site but it is very stupidly written. They are about as full of BS on Bushnell scopes as anyone could be. They say NOTHING of any value about Weaver. Why you'd say you chose Weaver over Bushnell from that is beyond me. Do as you wish. You made a poor choice. Hope it don't come back to haunt you.

GB

 

[Zachary]

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Softpoint,

If you are asking us to give you our "blessing" to purchase the Weaver, then, in all good conscious, we really can't.

We try to be very truthful to everyone based on all of our experiences. You can make any decision you like, but your decision to purchase the Weaver cannot be made on any reliance on our possibly suggesting that you purchase it. We only offer the truth and we are only trying to help you. I hope that you can respect that. :grin:

If you do decide to purchase the Weaver, then let us know your thoughts. (Keep in mind, of course, that while certain scopes may disappoint you immediately - like your Tasco - other scopes take more time to fail, and thus disappoint you eventually.) I am not necessarily telling you that the Weaver will disappoint you immediately or eventually. Rather, all I am telling you is, if the scope works fine when you first get it, please don't tell us that we were wrong. As such, just wait a couple of seasons and then tell us your review.

Zachary

 

[Zachary]

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Softpoint,

Great Decision!

Zachary

 

[Graybeard]

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Here is the entire text on Weaver scopes from the referenced site:

"Weaver started out an American-made brand that built an excellent reputation for building sturdy scopes for affordable prices. After bankruptcy, they were purchased by Blount (now owned by ATK as of 2002) and OEM manufacture was shifted to Light Optical Works in Japan. Old US made scopes can still be repaired at:

Weaver Scope Repair Service
1121 Larry Mahan Drive
El Paso TX 79925
915-593-1005


I have used this service and they do good work. In El Paso, Texas, good work takes time, but they don't make any promises on delivery they can't keep."

So now what in that inspired such confidence to chose Weaver? I'm at a loss to underderstand. It is very obvious from reading on the site that the owner of that site holds a grudge against Bushnell for dropping the B&L name for most of the line of products. Not all really as they do still use it on a few but not on rifle scopes. It is likewise obvious he has a problem with the Bushnell name not explained but probably based on buying a low price line scope and expecting it to be equal to a top of the line model. The Bushnell Elites are fully the equal of and in many cases superior to any of the other "American" branded scopes currently being sold.

Personal grudges aside he didn't proffer any reason for his dislike of the name. I too had a bad experience long ago with a lower line Bushnell but have gotten past it and can recognize them for what they are today.

GB

 

[Graybeard]

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Soft Point. So are the Bushnells for the most part.

But of more importance really than who the overseas manufacturer is will be what specifications they are made to. Each company selling scopes under their label gives those foreign makers the specs they want their scopes build to. All are NOT created equal just because they are made in the same factory. That's an important point to note.

Now I know several folks who seem high on the new Weavers and especially the top of the line models. I've not used or owned the top of the line new Weavers. BUT I have the others and I'm very much unimpressed. It is hard for me to define exactly why. If you'd looked thru them it would be obvious. When I looked thru them I saw what looked to be maybe a baffle or something to prevent light from passing thru all but the center of lens. This is usually a trick to make poor quality glass appear better as the center of all lens are better generally than the outer edges.

You are aware of what it nomrally looks like looking thru a scope when at optimum eye relief? You see just a thin metal ring surronding the image. Well on the Weavers I've looked thru this is not the case. There is a large wide black band I assume to be a baffle between the image and the tube of the scope. It is really hard to adequately express but as I said if you ever saw it you'd understand immediately.

In addition the image is not nearly as bright as the Bushnells and more importantly seems blurred rather than clear. All of these are signs of poor quality optics.

Each person can and should make up their own mind on what to buy. But to be swayed by what I saw on that site which I didn't even see anywhere they told who wrote it would be a bad mistake in my opinion. Do by all means look at and thru them yourself. If you do I firmly believe you won't come home with a Weaver rather than a Bushnell Elite. If you do then so be it, at least you looked and you saw and you decided.

GB

 

[Zachary]

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Softpoint,

The clarity of optics are important, but keep in mind that looking through scopes in a store is very different than looking at them in the field during dusk and dawn. (I'm referring to light transmission here, not necessarily clarity and sharpness.)

Another very important note: All you posted about was clarity. Remember that the problems that you had with the Tasco regarded it's precision adjustments (or rather lack thereof). Just because a scope has decent optics does not necessarily mean that it's construction is just as decent.

Think of it this way. With optics, you need to think of two things:

1) Optics - their clarity, sharpness, ability to show the viewed subject in its true color, etc.

2) Construction - the strength of all internal, and external, parts to keep everything consistent and precise. Will the adjustments track precisely? Will the cross-hairs fall out? Will the zoom work well? Will the focus ring work well? etc., etc. etc. Put in other words, is it really shockproof, waterproof, and fogproof?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep thess two thoughts separately and independently of each other when conisdering to buy a scope. Otherwise, you may be in a world of hurt.

Zachary

 

[Smokin54]

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Are you comparing the light gathering ability of a scope under the flouresent lighting of a store ? This is probally not the best test either . I went through this same confusion with each scope i have bought and I have progressively bought more expensive scopes as I have found that there is a direct corulation betweeen price and quality . The last handgun scope I bought was a bushnell elite 3200 2x6 and can tell right away how much better it is than either my simmons or thompsons .
I just bought a leupold VXI 4x12x40 but am yet to mount it . I was rather suprised however to find it has 1/2 MOA adjustments but does not click so you can do a half graduation adjustment witch would be 1/4 MOA ,I dont think this is going to be of concern on a coyote rifle though .
I ended up doing a fair amount of reading on the subject and still had a real tough time deciding and ended up taking the advice of freinds who had feild experiance with a wide variety of scopes
Try www.dnrsports.com for the price of scope you decide on . I could not fine a better price than what they offered on the last 2 scopes I bought .

 

[Zachary]

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Softpoint,

I own several Nikons Monarchs (not the Buckmasters) (well, actually about 4 or 5.) I believe that the Monarchs are made in Japan, while the Buckmasters are made in the Phillipines.

In any event, I have my Nikon Monarchs mounted on rifles from .260 Remington to 7mm Rem. Mag. Also, Nikon's optics are (and again, I'm talking about the Monarchs, not the Buckmasters) in my opinion, one of the very best.

Optically speaking, I believe that Nikon Monarchs and Bushnell Elite 4200 are better than the Leupold Vari-X IIIs (and those are excellent scopes too - I should know - I own a couple of them as well).

Yes, the Monarchs are relatively expensive (at least for what you are looking for), but I have NEVER had ANY problems with my Nikons, even on the harder kicking rifles. The adjustments are precise and the tracking is superb.

But again, for the money, you would be best served with the Elite 3200. I'm surprised that you haven't located any yet.

Zachary

 

[Zachary]

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Softpoint,

Remember what I told you - there's more to a scope than its optics (especially when looking through it at a store).

Like I said, I have heard good things regarding Sightron, but they were Sightron II scopes. Is yours a Sightron I or II? It sounds like it's a Sightron I because I believe that the IIs are in the $200 range.

In any event, give it a try and tell us what you think. We look forward to hearing your results.

Zachary

 

[kevin]

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well as my thinking iv'e allways always sited my scopes at full power at 25 yrds and 200 yards and doing so have never experianced a 1" drift, and as far as scopes are conerned i've used just about everything except the big names like ziess, swarski, smitt and baender, those things are just out of my price range and the way i figure anyone can get a more resonable scope with what a person needs or wants or is looking for and i agree with what a lot of folks are saying too cheap a scope make or mosel your going to get what you pay for thats probably way after25 years of experiances i my self pick leopuld not just for quality and price but for custumer support not saying any one elses are better but my preferance, i have never trird the bushnell 3200 but after what folks are saying my just go and try one to see what it does on a .45-70 katahin encore. to test it, i gurenteee i'll find out darn quick, and put it in a t'boss base and ring set from the coustom shop.
kevin :twisted:

 

[Zachary]

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That's what I was thinking. Softpoint, take a few shots at 100 yards at 9x power and see what happens.

Also, keep in mind that maybe the reason that the bullets were 1" to the right at 200 yards is because of wind drift. After all, there is a notable difference between 100 yards and 200 yards. Even the slightest breeze could knock off your shot an inch at that distance.

Still, 3/4" groups at 200 yards is fantastic. :grin: I'm glad that you finally have some good results.

Zachary