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Whilst on the range at Bisley yesterday, i took my Handi for a spin, I had two really nice old fellow's comment on the Handi,
They both said, I thought it was a "Rook rifle", Handi rifles in the UK are very rare!

The predecessor to the Handi,










.22lr Conversion of a McNaughton


William Evans in .297/250 circa 1919 with an Oigee 2 ½ magnification telescope sight


Rook rifles can be bought "reasonably" cheap here and some of them are "off ticket" in other words they require no form of licence to hold in the UK, certain calibre's such as .300 rook or .310 cadet are not uncommon, however anything chambered or re barrelled in a modern, or current cartridge are legally firearms

The brass is still available, but horrifyingly expensive

The thing about English guns is names, Purdeys, William Evans and Holland and Holland command a price, as do many London guns

Anything made in Birmingham or Scotland is practically worthless, a good friend picked up a Cogswell and Harrison side by side hand built shotgun, in a red baize case for £300, and its a minter, made in the 1920s-30's its essentially an H&H/Purdey, but almost unused, the stock looks like its made from tiger eye stone

Its truly shocking that some of these guns are just being destroyed, simply because every British man and his dog thinks they have to have a Berretta silver pigeon, or a high end side by side a side by side


HOLTS

http://micksguns.com/rook-rabbit-rifles/
 

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WWII - Dad's gun was a 30-06 M1, 30 Carbine, 45 M1911
Vietnam - My gun was an M-14, M-16, 45 M1911
Iraq/Afghanistan - My son's gun was ditto Vietnam, Barrett M83

Two generations of plastic stocked guns and the Gun Mags going Full Tilt to show the Left how much the pro-gun crowd wants to use and shoot plastic guns.

Also, we NEED the equivalent firepower of our political enemies - both foreign and DOMESTIC.

I will never be rid of my 338 Winchester Mag, my son's M14 (a FINE battle rifle), my plastic AR-15, Colt Defender 1911, or stainless Ruger K77/22RP. I kind of like my pump-action Benelli 12 gage for "Repelling Borders" too.

I will never go to Africa but I enjoy those that have and will carrying the block buster calibers in fine wood stocks. Englishmen still have that love for wood!
 

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Mine was a US 30 M2 Carbine, my personal weapon when off duty was a Colt 1911 Feather weight 9mm Commander wish I could have brought it home when I rotated out but that was a no no in 1952, About 4 years ago I lucked out and got a as new combat commander all paper work and original box from the original owner. He had only ran one clip through it.

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Whilst on the range at Bisley yesterday, i took my Handi for a spin, I had two really nice old fellow's comment on the Handi,
They both said, I thought it was a "Rook rifle", Handi rifles in the UK are very rare!

The predecessor to the Handi,










.22lr Conversion of a McNaughton


William Evans in .297/250 circa 1919 with an Oigee 2 ½ magnification telescope sight


Rook rifles can be bought "reasonably" cheap here and some of them are "off ticket" in other words they require no form of licence to hold in the UK, certain calibre's such as .300 rook or .310 cadet are not uncommon, however anything chambered or re barrelled in a modern, or current cartridge are legally firearms

The brass is still available, but horrifyingly expensive

The thing about English guns is names, Purdeys, William Evans and Holland and Holland command a price, as do many London guns

Anything made in Birmingham or Scotland is practically worthless, a good friend picked up a Cogswell and Harrison side by side hand built shotgun, in a red baize case for £300, and its a minter, made in the 1920s-30's its essentially an H&H/Purdey, but almost unused, the stock looks like its made from tiger eye stone

Its truly shocking that some of these guns are just being destroyed, simply because every British man and his dog thinks they have to have a Berretta silver pigeon, or a high end side by side a side by side


HOLTS

http://micksguns.com/rook-rabbit-rifles/
Maybe it is because me mum was a Brit, but, I am a lover of beautiful wood. Burled black walnut or Birdseye maple, properly finished with hand rubbed oil are among my favorites. Although, I do love shooting a plastic AR. The mechanical engineer in me even loves AK's for the admiration of the functional simplicity and the crude laminated wood stocks.
 

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I too like AK's and AR's they have a functional design, especially the AK, which is ingenious, it looks so agricultural, its a tube welded onto an open squared section with a mousetrap spring, Its one of those things that works, but it looks like it shouldn't. At one point I was thinking of getting a CZ527 scout in 7.62x39, its such a sweet round and in a bolt gun it would have been a joy to shoot, but I think now it maybe a troublesome cartridge to get due to the issues currently facing Ukraine,
If I had to go to war I'd make the obvious choices Glock for a sidearm and an AR,

But for target shooting and hunting, I just love single shot break action rifles, if only money and stupid red tape where not barriers to me owning more, I think it dates back to my childhood when I was given a .177 Webley Vulcan carbine air rifle, this thing was built right, no plastic anywhere and surprisingly powerful for a child, it accounted for lots of blackbirds crows and rabbits, it made me value the one shot!






Merkel, Kipplauf rifles are something to behold,






Equally I kind of like the look of this Begara Ba13 in .45-70, even though its plastic!




Air gun Trigger Line Gun barrel Machine gun


There is such a thing as too nice, having a gorgeous hand oiled walnut stock can end up making you baby the gun, which is something I've always been reluctant to do, its a bit like getting an Action man or GI joe and never taking them out of the packet
 

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I too like AK's and AR's they have a functional design, especially the AK, which is ingenious, it looks so agricultural, its a tube welded onto an open squared section with a mousetrap spring, Its one of those things that works, but it looks like it shouldn't. At one point I was thinking of getting a CZ527 scout in 7.62x39, its such a sweet round and in a bolt gun it would have been a joy to shoot, but I think now it maybe a troublesome cartridge to get due to the issues currently facing Ukraine,
If I had to go to war I'd make the obvious choices Glock for a sidearm and an AR,

But for target shooting and hunting, I just love single shot break action rifles, if only money and stupid red tape where not barriers to me owning more, I think it dates back to my childhood when I was given a .177 Webley Vulcan carbine air rifle, this thing was built right, no plastic anywhere and surprisingly powerful for a child, it accounted for lots of blackbirds crows and rabbits, it made me value the one shot!






Merkel, Kipplauf rifles are something to behold,






Equally I kind of like the look of this Begara Ba13 in .45-70, even though its plastic!




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There is such a thing as too nice, having a gorgeous hand oiled walnut stock can end up making you baby the gun, which is something I've always been reluctant to do, its a bit like getting an Action man or GI joe and never taking them out of the packet
A quality hand oiled stock does not necessarily need to be babied or become a 'safe queen.' The best part of a hand oiled stock (aside from bringing out the beauty of the wood grain) is that a ding or scratch can easily be corrected or made insignificant. Any remaining or obvious blemishes become part of the gun's history and be written off as character or distressing.

I have taken wood ready for finishing and set it on my pebble driveway, then stood on it....just enough to put a few dents to replicate years of accidental 'bumps' and bruises.

Admittedly, not for everyone and I have never done it to a stock. This was done to furniture: chairs, cabinets, headboards, frames, etc. to replicate age.

That Merkel, Kiplauf is gorgeous. I've never heard of the name but will be doing some research. I know from its' beauty that I would probably have to sell my house to get one! I would find it hard to believe its' owner would not "baby" it.

Your Webley Vulcan is very nice....did you 'baby' this one?
 

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You are right about that, I didn't baby the Vulcan, I did baby my 20 gauge for a while, but after putting a scratch on the stock, I thought sod it, this gun is meant to be used. I got some best London gun stock oil, I'm actually thinking of refinishing it, and contemplating doing the same on my Handi too.

If I had one of these I'd definitely baby it!

 
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