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Say on whitetail deer ,which of these to calibers is better . Is the bigger 500 going to really out do the 454 Casull ? Just want to get some opinions. Of course I just bought a Raging Bull 454 a couple years ago thinking it was the big boy around these parts ,is this just a gun to buy to say I got one bigger? I will probably stick with what I have an let someone else keep up with the Jone's.Besides my wife would use it on me if I spent that much on another toy right now ! Of course the recoil might get both of us!
 

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S&W 500 or 454 Casull ,Which is Better

Call me a crotchety geezed-out old duffer, but I don't see any reason to use anything heavier than a 44 magnum for whitetails. I'd only go to a 454 if I were specializing in really big hogs and heavier game.

If your heart is set on one of those two calibers, I'd pick the 454 because it's very versatile. You can load light and moderate loads that are very 44-magnum-like and very suitable for whitetails. The advantage is that 454 guns, with shorter barrels like 6" Raging Bull, are relatively light and compact compared to big honkin' monsters like the 500S&W.

The recoil of the 500 is astounding, at least on paper, and it's definitely something I'd want to avoid.
 

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I'd stick with the 454, if you can't kill a whitetail, or hog, or elk, or moose with a 454, then the 500 isn't the answer! With the 454, you can actually carry the gun on your hip, and shoot it reasonably well.

The 500 is an answer to a question nobody asked.

You don't see folks trading in their 7mm and 30 cal magnums for 375 Ultramags or 416 Weatherby's for whitetails, same deal with existing handgun hunting rounds and the new 500.
 

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red foxy,
if i could get my wife to talk like that i think i would have the perfect woman. i always thought "wouldnt it be nice to meet a woman with interest in handguns and hunting" but didnt think they existed. now only how to figure out how to get some of you to rub off on my wife! NOT LIKELY! but it is nice to know that there is one out there anyway!
 

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I agree with the crotchety geezed-out old duffer. Now I like that handle. :)

There is absolutely no need for either on deer. Massive over kill on your end even if not on the deer's end. The .44 magnum is still all the gun anyone hunting deer needs. I've shot a truck load of them with it and it has never yet let me down. If I'm gonna be hunting in places where I expect shots to be over 100 yards I usually have something else with me for those shots. Up to that range a revolver is fine and the .44 mag is more than adequate. I've used it on two at about that range. Didn't range them or step them off but know the areas well enough to know it was close to that at least. All the rest have been much closer using it.

So if ya just gotten have a bigger harder kicking toy to play with feel free but don't think when you get it you are doing so from need on deer of any size. The old .44 mag has been used very effectively in the hands of experienced shooters to take every game animal out there most likely to include the very biggest and baddest.

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:-D :-D I will have to say that a .44 will do anything that you would want one of the larger calibers to do. The .454 is a nice gun,and I enjoy shooting mine. I will probably get one of the new .500 dragon stompers off of my butt type guns,but,it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay tooooooo big for anything in the whitetail range. I have always figured that if the round blew through both sides, all that extra power got to go someplace else instead of in the animal to add to the shock effect. Im sure that someone will tell ya that a huge slug, on a texas heart shot on a big buck is a good shot to take,but I wont do it. Big guns sometimes do not make for good shots,and some chancy ones to boot,with a crippled deer at the end. Stay safe.....King :roll:
 

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But King

Just think of the Big Blood trail the 500 will leave.
Hey I think the 454 might be a little more versital than the 44.
If you are a one handgun type of guy a SRH or raging bull in 454 is the gun. As for the question that was asked?
If it is ONLY for deer then the 454 over the 500.
Heck I think you need all three
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If you saw a blood trail from one deer shot with a 454 and another similarly sized and shot deer with a .500, I honestly don't think that you could tell the difference.

The 454 IS overkill for whitetails. I have my 454s for the hogs - which can be pretty hard to put down.

Everyone is right about the 44 being big enough, especially for deer. With all the hype in recent years about Ultra Mags, Super Mags, and Sonic Mags, people just seem to forget that the .44 Mag has, and will continue to, harvest a bucket load of deer and hogs.

The reason that I bought my .454s and 480s is that I wanted a cartridge with more authority on a big charging boar. I DO think that the .454 would be better in those situations.

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I just read an artical on the S&W 500. I have a Power Port 629 and I know it's enough for deer. The only reason I'd buy a 454 or 500 is for protection from say bears while fishing or some activity that a long gun would be a negative. I believe S&W did some thinking about the 500 since the grip frame is of K/L frame size and round butt so the reach to the trigger is short enough to use a cusion type grip. The advantage a 500 has to me is it operates at a lower chamber pressure so it sould have less or at least less of a quick sharp recoil than a 454. That said,I'd rather have a 12ga with Brenneke mag slugs than any handgun at close quarters with a bear.
 

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Low Pressure of 500?

CHK where did you find the Cup pressures for the 500?
Gary Reeder claims pressures that rival the casull resulting in BRUTAL recoil compared to the casull.
Where did you find your info? I would like to read it as the 500 really interests me as far as a Encore barrel.
Thanks
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Shooting Times latest edition has an artical on the S&W 500. The artical states the 500 has 10,000 psi less chamber pressure. I can believe this. If you think about a hydralic jack that has a 1" dia. ram vs. one with a 2" dia. ram,the one with the larger ram will lift more weight with less pressure. A larger dia. bullet needs less chamber pressure to get more power and can have more weight with less pressure too.
 

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I will need to get this magizine tonight!

But that aside and IF they have the pressures right.
Recoil is a factor of bullet weight and powder volume.
No where in the recoil calculators do they ask for pressures.
and with MUCHO more powder and MUCHO more bullet weight No way do i beleive the recoil is even CLOSE. NO way would Reeder say the recoil of the 500 is BRUTAL compared to the 454 without it being somewhat true.
Given the case capacity and bullet weights I would say the 454 I have is a BABY compared to the new round, But then I do not think the 454 recoil is all that bad.
I will be buying this round ONE way or the other.
The whole world is waiting to play with this one.
Now Off to the Super Market I go!
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No actually the WHOLE WORLD isn't waiting to buy one.

Only those who've bought into the magazine writer's hype. That's what they get paid the big bucks to do. Sell you every new toy the manufacturers come up with.

It will be short lived likely and will sell far less than the .480 Ruger and even less than the .475 Linebaugh which is for the most part a custom or semi custom proposition.

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As a handgun cartridge there both to heavy and stout, for my use. I"d be just as happy with a lighter and yet powerful round that can be used in a med. frame, .41 Mag. :wink:
 

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we thought the same of the 450 Marlin

Wait one year and bring this up again? I think it will be very interesting to see how well it sells.
We said the same of the 450 marlin. Marlin claims more 450 sales in the last two years over the 45-70.
Yes is is a handgun I know But i think it will be here to stay.
I would say both ruger and Taurus will have a frame to handle it about a year from now year.
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I love the 454 because of the versatility. From a very mild 45 Colt to a full blown 454, there are plenty of loads for any kind of hunting you would ever want to do. Everyone agrees that the 454 is overkill for whitetail, unless you plan on taking one at near 200 yds. The S&W 500 is an answer to a question that no-one asked. Of course, my friends said that the 454 was overkill too, and they were right. A 44 mag or a ruger 45 Colt would be more than sufficient. A 454 or a S&W 500 is kind of like a great sports car. If you want one and can afford it, get it. If you can offer practical justification for one, let us in on your secret. :D
 

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:grin: Ahh, That's the beauty of America, I don't need a practical justification for getting one! I want one and have the money, so I will get one. :D
 

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In the Shooting article, the author said, if I remember correctly, that after a few shots or so, the muzzle brake fell off. :roll: That doesn't sound like a quality gun to me. Then again, we are talking about a hand cannon.

Still, if I bought one, and I'm not necessarily saying that I would or wouldn't, I would wait for the following reasons:

1. To let them work out all of the "bugs" and other quality control and design issues,
2. Determine whether the gun becomes popular or not. If it doesn't, then I don't want to be stuck with a "book end," a "door stop," or a boat "anchor." :)

And if I did buy one, it would only be for big mean hogs. (I have seen a 200 pound charging boar hit with 6 shots from a 44 mag and it still kept on charging. Granted, I don't think that it would take that many hits from a .454, but I would think that a 500 would do a more effective job.)

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I don't think your question has any relevancy yet. No one, except the people at Smith and possibly Corbon, has shot any of these, except the prototypes. Give it a year or so and repost your question.
 
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