Not sure how good these are, but Dicks Sporting Goods has Simmons 8-Point 3-9x40 scopes for $49.99. Total was 53.48 with tax. They have a $30 rebate from Simmons and a $10 rebate from Dicks. So for $13.48 after rebate, didn't think it was much of a gamble if they don't hold up. Hammer clearance is close in medium rings.