[870 expressmag]

well quickdtoo i am all done asking questions and not being able to use the advice..i got the rifles back today.....first range visit was this afternoon..it was quick as i got done just before it started raining...

at first i was skeptical..all the reading and stuff i do on here i immediatelly checked all this stuff on my new barrel (.308 since that was the last one that had the scope mounted at the shop it was still on so i used it first) it wiggles a little when the breech is open...however it locks pretty tight....when i push the release it flops right open..kinda loose....and it was dirty....so i began to get nervous...remember i am a nervous person....well i cleaned her up as best i could and headed to the range....with a leupold 2-7x33 vx-1 on it and in my lead sled...i set the target at 50 yds since my scope has only ben bore sighted...didn;t even hit the target anywhere and the case stuck...then onsets worry...took my rod and knocked it out..then commenced to cleaning....then shot my second round...after adjusting the scope still nothing..this shell did not stick...commenced to cleaning again....moved the target to 30 yds and finally after some fiddling i hit the paper and went from there..thats why you see the random holes in the target picture....also after the first 5 shots the release was almost impossible to push in to open the breech..why is that? anyways i had one more stuck casing so when i was cleaning after that round i put like 5 patches on my jag and put em in the chamber and did kind of a half-a$$ chamber polish...seemed to work..not a stuck one after that...and the more i shot it seems as though the release has loosened as well and everything seems really smooth..so far....so i finally got one shot to hit just south of bullseye...so i quickly shot two more and you can see the 3 shot group below.....now it was only at 30yds.....but i ran out of time...but in my opinion it seems like it sheds light on good accuracy to come...am i far off with that???

 

[quickdtoo]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

It looks encouraging!! What ammo are you shooting? Did you do the chamber polish AND make sure the chamber was clean and dry?? I use a bore mop with a patch wrapped around it on the end of a chamber cleaing rod. You can tighten the action so when it's open it isn't loose and it will not flop open quite so easy, by placing a shim between the forend (wood stock only) and spacer after removing the 2 screws in the forend spacer. .004" to .006" should be plenty.

Tim

 

[Varminter]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

Well it looks like you got a pretty good barrel. Just remember to polish the bore like quick said and make sure there is no lubricants in the chamber and the it is dry. All i can really recommend is that you try every kind of ammo you can get your hands on. Except the military stuff.

Be sure to give us a report on that 270 UC. :wink:

 

[870 expressmag]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

on that target i shot that using remington core-lokt 180gr soft points....i did not polish the bore or the chamber..alls i did in the chamber was take a bunch of patches and shoved em in there tight and spun them with the cleaning jag until it was nice and clean....havn't had a FTE yet.....the bore i am breaking in the old fashioned way..shoot once and clean...seems to be working good..am getting good results....quickdtoo about the shim....two questions....i havn't had the 223 or 270 back on it yet..what if they are not sloppy..then will the shim make them barrels overtight? and 2 where do i get a shim or what do i make it out of?

 

[quickdtoo]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

didn;t even hit the target anywhere and the case stuck...then onsets worry...took my rod and knocked it out

You had one FTE, but it was probably due to oil in the chamber if you only had one at the first shot..... case stuck = FTE.

The only way to know if the forend is too tight is to try it, if it's too tight on the other barrels, remove the shim.

The shim material I use is aluminum furnace tape from a hardware store, it's used to seal ducting. It measures .006" with the backing and .004" without, cut a piece and trim it to the shape of the spacer, punch a couple holes for the screws and install it.

Tim

 

[870 expressmag]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

i'm sorry if you misunderstood me..there was no FTE after i did that with the patches in the chamber.......

how come when it first started out after each shot i could hardly get the button pushed down to break open the action..but it eventually loosened up...is that because maybe the latch had a burr on it that wore off?


i also failed to mention they were pointed..not round nose http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=614008

 

[quickdtoo]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

That's kinda what I thought about the FTE. :wink:

The latch shelf on the barrel where the latch locks up was probably not finished well and as you suspect, probably had a bit of a burr on it. I stone the shelf so it's smooth from the beginning to allow the best lockup.

Tim

 

[870 expressmag]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

a family friend who is the retired police chief in town gave me some 308 ammo that was left over at the dept :grin: they look sorta old but the one box is western super x powerpoints..150gr soft pts and the other box is federal 168gr sierra boat tail hp match....we'll see how these do...will report back

 

[870 expressmag]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

dad and i went out to the range tonight..we took his 17hmr and my 308...well his 17hmr at 100yds shoots at 3/4"!

i finished off shooting my remington corelokt 180gr soft pointed tips and they shot two 3 shot groups under 1 inch at 100yds....and they made nice circular holes.....i ran out of those so i had a box of federal vital shok 165gr sierra gameking BTSP and started shooting those...i couldn;t get em to group near as tight as the remingtons and i even think i didn;t go under 3inch groups.....now the barrel was getting a little warmer but not any worse i don;t think than with the remingtons.....must be my gun doesn;t like these?? i am going to try the rest of them with a clean cold barrel and see how they do then..but i noticed something...every hole was not nice and round like the remingtons..they were almost keyholed....like the bullet is wobbling a little? but if thats the case how does it consistantly wobble out of the bottom every shot..the keyhole always goes to the bottom....i don;t think it's the gun otherwise the remingtons would've done it.....i am thinking my baby doesn;t like these bullets...any thoughts?

 

[870 expressmag]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

no one has any thoughts for me??

 

[myarmor]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

Sounds like it doesn't like them at all. Some here have good luck with the Remington ammo in their handis. Strangely enough my 223 Ultra likes the cheap UMC's better than the Core-Lokt's :? . But as for key holing....To me it doesn't sound logical. Those Remi's where 180gr being the heavier, and the Fed's being 165gr. Almost every instance I have heard of key holing comes from a heavier bullet with insufficient spin to stabilize it-thus the rate of twist. How old where these Federals? Next time you go out I would try out a box of Federal Match Gold and Federal Fusions-seeing as how our friend Mac has been doing well with them.
You 308 sounds promising, I am curious to see how she does when you stretch her legs some more. But I totally understand though, my shooting has been slow as well, due to all the rain that has come through..

 

[870 expressmag]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

the federals were bought off of the shelf at the exact same time as the remingtons.....i have a few left i will try them in a clean cold barrel and see how they do...i guess if they don't like em thats fine with me they are more expensive...i got another box of the 180gr remi's to see if they stay consistant...and i also have a box of fusions in 150gr i am itching to try...will keep you posted....havn't even touched the 270 yet...one thing at time :wink:

 

[Mac11700]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

i couldn;t get em to group near as tight as the remingtons and i even think i didn;t go under 3inch groups.....now the barrel was getting a little warmer but not any worse i don;t think than with the remingtons.....must be my gun doesn;t like these?

Just because you don't get as good a groups...or the bullet holes in the paper aren't perfect...doen't mean a-lot when shooting at 100 yards...sometimes it takes a farther yardarge for the bullet to completely stabilize....now...if the paper is torn say 1/2" -3/4" around each hole...different story....Finding the right ammo to give you the best isn't always easy...I know...sometimes it falls in your lap...othertimes you'll just have to keep looking...or take up reloading if you keep a paticular gun. You can also try some of the lighter bullets with the 308...pick up a box of Winchester Power Points in 150 grains and see how they do as well...they are realatively cheap over at Wal-mart


Mac

 

[870 expressmag]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

ok will do..i also have some 150gr fusions i want to try also

 

[Mac11700]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

If you have as much luck with the 308 Fusion as I have had with the 30-06...I'm sure your you will search no-more...

Mac

 

[870 expressmag]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

i am hoping so....i worked 65 hours last week and 55 this week...with that and the heat..it's hard to get to the range...will keep you posted on my ammo results

 

[870 expressmag]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

i am totally disgusted with this thing....went to the range today...shot 180gr remington corelokt point sp and they shot bad...federal 165 gr sierra gamekings..shot bad...and fusion 150gr shot bad....nothing under 2"..sometimes at 50yds! this is with the .308....i shimmed it with aluminum tape because it wobbled a little when the breech is open..it fixed it...but it still shoots bad...so i wanted to see what the 270UC would do...it is tight all the way around no need for shim...initially it shot great...but it still doesn;t shoot well....averaging 3-4 inch groups....the 270 did shoot one group of 3 at 50yds which was a 7/8" group...thats the most excitement i had all day.....the guy i was shooting with just can;t figure it out and i can;t either...only thing that might be is i am using a caldwell lead sled and it supports the foreend....right as we were about to leave we tried just two sandbags..one under the hinge the other under the stock...didn;t really group it but it seemed to shoot better than before......i am really disappointed..what can i do to make these shoot? by the way i was shooting federal blue box 270's in 130 gr pointed sp and 150gr round sp..

 

[quickdtoo]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

Everything that you need to know is posted here, start with the cleaning and lapping sticky at the top of this forum list. The bore will take 150-200 rounds to settle down if you don't lap the bore first, 50-100 rounds if you do lap it. Shooting when the barrel is hot or the weather is hot doesn't help, you need to take your time and shoot with the barrel as cool as possible. Be patient and give it time, it will work out. The front rest needs to be under the hinge, that has been stated a million times here, it's pretty much true for any break barrel rifle, some aren't too picky, most are.

Hang in there, :wink:

Tim

 

[Varminter]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

My 270 barrel liked the winchester silver box 130 gr. SP. Shot around an inch at 100 yards. Just hang in there they will eventually shoot better. Make sure you lap the bore!!!! That is extremely important. The weather probably played a big role in how your gun shot today.

 

[EVOC ONE]

skeptical at first..but first range visit w

You commented yesterday that you have been working a lot of hours and are a bit tired, then you shot today. Being fatigued and not on your game will affect your concentration. Were you mentally prepared when you went to the range? In your frustration to get consistant success from the rifle, you may be forcing the issue. Could you be holding the rifle too tightly? Is your rest consistant? Are you following through on your trigger squeeze?

You may need to take a breather for a couple days, re-group and get back to basics with your shooting style.

Also, don't forget that sometimes our timing is off and nothing goes right.

Hang in there and keep everyone posted. There is enough help here to get you through this.

EVOC ONE