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I was reading my manual for my 209X50 last night and it keeps saying use the ther bore butter for seasoning the bore. How many people have used it and like it? They say it seasons the bore much like a cast iron pan, which I know how to season and I love them, it sounds like a good concept, but does it work and how do I clean my muzzleloading barrel after I season it?
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Selmer,
I've been told by those allot more knowledgeable about muzzle loading than I, that seasoning is just so much nonsence. I started out using BoreButter and was told to stay clear of petroleum products. If you oil the bore you are essentially ruinning the bore "seasoning". BoreButter has never claimed to be a long-term storage product to prevent rust and corrosion, and I prefer to use good old fossil-fuel petroleum products to protect for both short and long-term storage (vasoline). So, I will use the BoreButter for a quick bore lube at the range if I have tight sabots to load.

I just clean my side-hammer barrel in a laundry tub with a bore mop in hot detergent and water, rinse in very hot water, and follow up with a spray of Ballistol lube down the nipple and muzzle w/ dry patches. Before using again I use Windex as a borecleaner, fire a few caps into a dry patch to drive out any oil in the breech and you're good to go. Any take-off part such as nipple go into a basket of Cabela's M/L cleaner and the action is wiped down with the same cleaner to wash off the primer residues. With your 209X50 you will have to change your cleaning procedure a little, but the same products work. With the newest Triple 7 powder and pellets, the cleanup should be that much simpler if you want to use plain water, followed up with Ballistol. Good Luck!
 

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Thanks Savage T!
This stuff better be good, I'm ordering a little.

One thing that still has me confused! Why will water clean the barrel better than a bore cleaner or this stuff ?
Ballistol, good? Been around Europe and back again....ya its good! Order a couple 11 oz. spraycans, and use it all around the house....safe around food too.

Now, with Triple 7 powder....Water is all you need, so say Hodgden Powder Co. It contains no sulfur products, unlike black powder and substitutes. Me, I don't take chances, so I clean the same way....I know there will be no corrosion products left after a good hot soapy water bath, with Ballistol to remove all traces of water remaining. There's always primer residues left after firing, so clean everything good w/ soap and hot water, rinse, and then wipe down everything with Ballistol, including the stock and brass furniture and leather sling.
 

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Ken,
I don't know what kind of gun you use, so bear with me. I have a side-hammer with hooked breech barrel. All I do is pull the wedge pin and lift the barrel out-of-the-stock. I really don't have a concern about the sights, and sure as heck don't have a scope (because of all the hastle taking it off to clean from the primer cap residue, etc.). If you can't remove the barrel from the action, then you have to use a different technique.
The soap and water dissolves the salts and unburned carbon build-up in the bore faster and cheaper than any other method I've used. The boremop pumps water through the bore to flush it out. You can't do that as well or as fast with only bore cleaners and patches....lots of patches. Don't say that bore cleaners won't get it done....but I've experienced some light corrosion from not getting it all neutralized the first time. Perhaps with the bore cleaner and Ballistol follow-up, you can be safe, but I like to check the bore a few days after so I'm positive it is clean.
Not saying what you or your friends are doing is wrong or that I have a better method. If I was cleaning an in-line gun I guess I'd have to clean with bore cleaner and say your methods were the most practical.

P.S. I believe that most black powder cleaners and lubricants are soap and water based. Now the bore cleaners that are petro based are designed for smokeless powders, perhaps some for corrosive powders, but I wouldn't take that for gospal.
 

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Ken,
I'm getting responses from both forums (Muzzle Loading and TC Encore) on this issue now. Check out fredj's excellent info on cleaning with and w/o water, WD-40, and finally BoreButter. He knows his stuff, so if you don't want to use soap and water....check out his methods.
 

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Looks like I stirred up a good question with that one about bore butter and cleaning methods. I like the idea of just needing a bore mop and some ballistol, it's much cheaper than a bottle of Sweet's or Butch's Bore Shine! Thanks for all the info, it looks like I should have put this in one forum or the other, but not both, sorry about that.
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Selmer said:
Looks like I stirred up a good question with that one about bore butter and cleaning methods. I like the idea of just needing a bore mop and some ballistol, it's much cheaper than a bottle of Sweet's or Butch's Bore Shine! Thanks for all the info, it looks like I should have put this in one forum or the other, but not both, sorry about that.
Selmer
See what you started..................??????Good Question and excellent responses. I learned something new today too!
 

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I'm a newbie to blackpowder but I've cleaned with hot soapy water (been told Dawn detergent is best). Just took off the barrel and dunked it in a bucket of hot water, (scope and all) and I used a tight fitting jag and patch to draw the water up the barrel. Then use dry patches. I do lube with bore butter, and a use a patch with a small amount of bore butter between shots to help seat my sabots loads. I use good ole' FFG black cause it always goes bang when I pull the trigger.
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I have cleaned with water, bore cleaner, and T/C #13 with bore butter. From my experience the T/C #13 and bore butter it the best.. After you use it a few times I think that the gun is easier to load and cleans much easier. I also have never had a problem with rust.
 

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Cleaning Backpowder guns

Ken and everyone:

Hot soapy water is a very TRADITIONAL way to clean after firing blackpowder guns. The reason it is traditional is simple: water-displacing petroleum oils and cleaners haven't been around for more than a couple of generations!

Black powder residues contain salts, sulfuric acid, sulfurous oxides, hydrocarbon soot, and burned oils, grease, etc. The residue is clearly hygroscopic, and will suck moisture out of the air and rust gun steel in a matter of hours. The oils, grease, and carbon will dissolve in nitro powder solvents, but not the acid and sulfur oxides, and salt residues. Oiling after a water cleaning protects the steel, of course. Modern water displacing cleaners protect even better than oils. BreakFree CLP is one of these products.

The military changed to using CLP for cleaning large caliber cannon, even for ships at sea. The salt-air environment is obviously hard on gun steels, but the CLP proved so good that it replaced the old-fashioned sodium carbonate cleaner.

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great question guys but heres another twist. now do you use bore butter when you use sabots, like t/c xtp 240grain sabots??? someone told me that it throws the accuracy off when you do. can anyone elaborate on that?

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great question guys but heres another twist. now do you use bore butter when you use sabots, like t/c xtp 240grain sabots??? someone told me that it throws the accuracy off when you do. can anyone elaborate on that?
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I just run a patch with borebutter smeared on and lightly coat the barrel before loading w/ powder and sabot.
 

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I like T/C Bore Butter

I've used bore butter in my last two smoke poles (T/C Encore SS 209x50 and my old SS Thunder Hawk) and love it. I've gone to 777 and clean up is quick with either water or some Rusty Duck cleaner that I still have. After cleaning/drying, I apply a thin coat of bore butter and I can shoot at least 7 rounds before I notice any impact to accuracy. Groups are <1" at 100 yds. I don't know about "seasoning" the barrel, but it sure seems to reduce required clean up times at the range and loading is as smooth as silk. Hope this helps. :D
 

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Amen Bullseye,
I've found nothing better than T/C #13 and BoreButter for maintaining my black powder guns. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
2 swipes with #13 soaked patches followed by one tight dry patch and my bore sparkles. One more loose patch with BoreButter and all is well.
I use petroleum products on my smokelss powder guns. At one time or another every one of these has developed rust in some place or another after storage. But my black powder guns never have.
 

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Unless you are shooting patched round balls or TC's Maxi Balls I don't see the need for Bore Butter. I shoot Powerbelts with 777 in my Encore without any fouling or loading problems. As for cleanup I use water dampened cotton patches until they come out clean. Then I use Hoppes #9 and it always pulls out a little more dirt. The Hoppes also leaves a light non-corrosive oil film in the barrel which I wipe out with a dry patch prior to loading the next time out.
 
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