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I'm so impressed!!! You guys are really full of it. Great information that is. I read the bore butter question and off I go the OReilly's Auto Parts and guess what they have their own brand of brake parts cleaner and you can get it chlorinated or not. A great big can for $3. Which is best? Which brings yet another question to mind. Why use cider vinegar and not white vinegar to clean fouling? And further more, I seen lots of Ballistol testiclemonials saying how great water and Ballistol (moosemilk) mix is as a bore cleaner. What would be wrong with simplifying to this moosemilk for patchlube and borecleaner then straight Ballistol as a preserver? Only two items for everything
 

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This ain't rocket science.The idea is:
1.Clean the gun real good.
2.Use a good oil to store it.
3.Clean the storage oil off before ya shoot.
Repeat as required.
I know some folks(myself included)that take an unfired gun right out of the cabinet and clean it just cause sunday night TV is boring an I want to touch my guns.Kinda protect my investment ya know.
There are fourtyleven ways to do each of the above requirements.
The issue of Chlorinated vs.non Chlorinated brake cleaner is because there is still some chlorinated left on the shelf.EPA and Greenpeace finally got their way,a few years an there will be only one kind left,don't worry it still works the same.
I wonder what kind of brake cleaner them boy's at Lexington used? :roll:
 

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I'm in full agreement with Johnt, brake cleaner cuts the oil fast but in a pinch you can use rubbing alcohol, it just takes more time and patches
Cider vinegar is cheaper and smells better, non ammoniated glass cleaner
works great, windshield wiper fluid, cold water, believe it or not but urine works quite well, the British Army was famous for using urine, however
when the other guys at the range see you peeing in your barrel it may negatively effect the esteem your held in ;-) some guys use those baby wipes just cut them in strips, anti freeze and water, there are hundreds of
possibilities the one thing they all have in common is water, there is no
correct method there are many of them whatever works best for you.
the bucket of hot soapy water and boiling water rinse is absolute BS.
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fredj,
I'm a holdin' yer hands to the fire Bud! You were asked about cider vinegar vs. white vinegar.....Why one and not the other. They're both 5% acidity (I know the white is acetic acid, but what is the apple cider, citric?)
 

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SavageT- I haven't actually started to use the Cider Vinegar yet (it's below zero here at the moment) I will start using it in the spring, my friend Bill Knight (The Mad Monk) has been using it and reports it works great, he told me he used the Cider vinegar because it's cheaper and he finds the smell less offensive than regular vinegar, Bill is the BP consultant that got Elephant up to rifle rate of burn despite it's limitation's involving a jungle species of wood to make the charcoal, and he's also the consulting engineer that tailored the WANO into the new Schuetzen BP they're now importing, he knows more about the history, chemistry, and behaviour of BP than any man alive in IMHO. This solvent thing isn't rocket science, the most important part of any BP solvent is the water, plain and simple, plain cold water is a fine BP solvent which is dramatically safer than the typical Hot water and detergent BS, the 5% acetic acid just makes the water work a little better as BP residue is quite alkaline, And if it's 5% acetic acid it's probably close to 95% water, TC #13 is simply 90% plain old water 10% Silicone so it can also be used as a patch lube. The British army was known for using urine as a battlefield expedient BP solvent and it was reputed to be a fine solvent, and I'd imagine that's 99% water with minute amounts of albumin and ammonia and some dead white blood cells, You really don't need to resort to running a full blown spectral analysis of your solvent to effectively clean your barrel, it's pretty much just the water the other stuff is just window dressing. An old BP bench rest slug gun shooter I knew who had numerous American as well as Canadian National championships under his belt and had shot just about every type of BP competition in his 40+ years of BP shooting, his solvent of choice was you guessed it, cold water.
and unless you're shooting Pyrodrek or any of the other faux BP's that contain Perchlorate to supress the flash point so it can be sold as a flammable solid, you can get by just fine with water. I understand even the 777 contains Perchlorate just a good bit less than the pyrodrek. So with those you need some type of solvent to break down the Perchlorate
as water alone can't do it. I think most of us are so used to being screwed by all the marketing and bean counter types we find anything simple or cheap literaly inconsievable, I have a friend who served in the Welsh Regiment of Foot I should probably buy him lots of beer bottle the effluent and market it as limey tech miracle BP solvent at $12.50 a bottle :lol:
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savageT said:
fredj,
I'm a holdin' yer hands to the fire Bud! You were asked about cider vinegar vs. white vinegar.....Why one and not the other. They're both 5% acidity (I know the white is acetic acid, but what is the apple cider, citric?)
Savage I got so busy pontificating I forgot the question, I honestly don't know but I'll write Bill tommorow and see if he's around, I think the citrus is a good guess, but I believe there's an Apple specific acid as well as
acetic, BTW what do you think of the commercial possibilities for Limey Tech Miracle BP Solvent :lol: All kidding aside I actually tried the urine thing a few years back when I'd forgotten my glass plus and there was no water to be found at that range, I just ducked into the bushes, it was either that or Coca Cola and I figured mu barrel might get cavities from all the sugar, the fredj solvent worked as well as the Glass plus :wink:
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fredj,
I appreciate the hint about bodily fluid solvents (we could call them here in the US of A....B/P Solvent#PE1, and Patch Lube #SPT2).

Seriously, I looked up the vinegar thing and white vinegar is fermented white wine (i.e. acetic acid), and cider vinegar is fermented apple cider (i.e. acetic acid with pectin). Remember Pectin....That stuff your Mom used for making canned jellies? Don't know that both or either would work just as well. Next time I'm at the range I'll bring along an empty bottle and try your new b/p cleaning solvent. And to think they told me to keep my face and hands away from the muzzle of my smoke-pole when I was cleaning. Picture some poor Red-Coat at Valley Forge -20 below zero with his schwantz.........Man oh Man........that took courage!

War is ****.
 
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