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Trump's support for Israel's sovereignty over Golan Heights expected to make waves at UN


By Ben Evansky | Fox News

President Trump recognizes Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights



UNITED NATIONS – President Trump on Thursday tweeted his support for the United States to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights, but like his move to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Trump's decision is at odds with United Nations resolutions and likely won't bode well with U.S. critics at the world body.

Trump tweeted, “After 52 years it is time for the United States to fully recognize Israel’s Sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which is of critical strategic and security importance to the State of Israel and Regional Stability!”


Israel captured the strategically important Golan Heights from Syria in 1967. Israeli officials have argued Iran’s growing military footprint and influence in Syria has made the Syrian side of the divide a growing security threat given Tehran’s continued threats to annihilate Israel.



Israeli Ambassador to the U.N. Danny Danon wrote, "We are at the beginning of a historic moment for the State of Israel. President Trump once again proves the strength of the alliance between the US and Israel. The time has come for the world to recognize that the Golan Heights is an inseparable part of the State of Israel."



A spokesperson for United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres responded with no comment when asked for reaction to Trump’s tweet.

Last month Guterres’ Special Envoy for Syria Geir Pedersen was dismissive when asked about a push by Congress to recognize the Golan Heights as Israeli territory. He told reporters, “Obviously the Security Council is very clear that Golan is Syrian territory.”

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Under former Prime Minister Menachem Begin, Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, passed a law in 1981 that officially annexed the Golan Heights. Begin cited serious security threats from Syria including the threat of missile attacks. Days later the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution that condemned the move, adding to its resolution 242 of 1967 that called for the removal of Israeli forces from its recently conquered territory during the Six-Day War.

U.N Security Council Resolution 497 from 1981 stated in part “that the Israeli decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights is null and void and without international legal effect.”

Eugene Kontorovich, a professor of international law at George Mason University in Washington, D.C., and director of international law at the Jerusalem-based Kohelet Policy Forum, told Fox News the resolution, “is not binding and has no legal force; it was merely a statement of the Council’s opinion. The U.S. has a sovereign right to disagree.”

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Kontorovich, who has advised senior members of the U.S. administration on the Golan Heights, praised what he described as Trump’s courage. “Only a clear statement that the Golan is part of Israel can deter Iranian and Syrian attempts to challenge Israel’s control. While American politicians of all stripes claim they support Israel’s control of the Golan, most lacked the courage to translate this into the necessary diplomatic language of sovereignty - until Pres. Trump.”



The politics of Trump's surprise Golan Heights announcement

In February, Republican Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas and Tom Cotton of Arkansas were joined by Rep. Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin as the lawmakers introduced bills in both chambers that would establish Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights as official U.S. policy. In a joint statement Thursday, the lawmakers applauded Trump’s tweet while warning of the serious security threats posed by Iran.

"At a time when Israel's northern border is threatened by Iranian forces and their proxies in Lebanon and Syria, including by Hezbollah's rockets, armed drones, and newly discovered terror tunnels, this recognition will be great news for our ally and its right to self-defense. More work remains to be done to align American policy with today's recognition. We look forward to advancing our bicameral legislation on the Golan Heights which acknowledges Israel's sovereignty over its territory, streamlines Congressional language, and expands the basis for joint projects on the issue."

A senior Republican congressional staffer scoffed when asked about possible U.N. criticism. “The United Nations operates in a parallel universe where they make things up so they can demonize Israel. That’s nice, but we prefer to exist in actual reality, and anyway the United States makes our own decisions with respect to issues of sovereignty. We didn't care when the U.N. threw their temper tantrum over recognizing the reality of Israel's capital of Jerusalem and we're not going to care when they have fainting spells this time either.”

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Trump’s tweet came ahead of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s planned visit next week to the White House.

In January, Syria’s U.N. Ambassador Bashar Ja’afari blamed the Security Council for its inaction on what he said was Israeli aggression against his country. He noted that his country would work to restore its sovereignty by “all means possible.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Ben Evansky reports for Fox News on the United Nations and international affairs. He can be followed @benEvansky
 

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Wow, geeeezzz! Trump sure is sucking up alot to Israel lately. This move ensures enmity in the region until the sun explodes.
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Wow, geeeezzz! Trump sure is sucking up alot to Israel lately. This move ensures enmity in the region until the sun explodes.
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Said our resident anti-semitic. :tango_face_grin:

Go trump.
 

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The US should never put itself in a position to lecture ANYONE on taking land from others... That is the essence of the pot calling the kettle black, we built this country on the premise of taking land by force!!! I'm not saying it was wrong just the fact that it was.

As to supporting Israel, we support whomever give us the best deals. We support Israel (which I think we should) but mostly for political reasons. We support Saudi Arabia but call Iran the "leading sponsor of terrorism" even thought the Wahabi's sponsor the vast majority terrorism groups, especially those that target the west. This is because of the Saudi oil and influence in the world oil market; if they did not have oil we would throw them under the bus - probably a long time ago.
 

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Without the Golan Heights Israel would be very hard to defend.
 

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The US should never put itself in a position to lecture ANYONE on taking land from others... That is the essence of the pot calling the kettle black, we built this country on the premise of taking land by force!!! I'm not saying it was wrong just the fact that it was.

As to supporting Israel, we support whomever give us the best deals. We support Israel (which I think we should) but mostly for political reasons. We support Saudi Arabia but call Iran the "leading sponsor of terrorism" even thought the Wahabi's sponsor the vast majority terrorism groups, especially those that target the west. This is because of the Saudi oil and influence in the world oil market; if they did not have oil we would throw them under the bus - probably a long time ago.

We need to give the State of Washington back. :tango_face_wink:
 

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I've thought for almost all of my life that the U.N. building should be made into a giant day care for real kids and the U.N. and it's delegates sent to the Netherlands, or at least San Francisco.
 

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I've thought for almost all of my life that the U.N. building should be made into a giant day care for real kids and the U.N. and it's delegates sent to the Netherlands, or at least San Francisco.
YEP, I vote YES on that. Get s out of rhe UN, and get them out of America. I've felt for many years that the UN in America was a huge spy force for the godless ones.

TM. President Trump is helping to do Gods word, osama did satans bidding .CHARLIE.
 

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"The US should never put itself in a position to lecture ANYONE on taking land from others... That is the essence of the pot calling the kettle black, we built this country on the premise of taking land by force!!! I'm not saying it was wrong just the fact that it was."
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There are some 195 countries in our world.. How about you name some that have never been taken by force at one time or another?
 

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Ah, the duality of man. A pointless discussion of historical facts that cannot be changed, modified, or reversed.
 

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Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government.

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796


Since the beginning of our country, America’s Founding Fathers warned of threats to liberty from foreign entanglements.
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible… It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.

We need to start practicing once again what they preached."IMHO"


 

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Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government.

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796


Since the beginning of our country, America’s Founding Fathers warned of threats to liberty from foreign entanglements.
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible… It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.

We need to start practicing once again what they preached."IMHO"
I agree with a great deal of this.
 

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From IG:


So that makes it right?
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No, but before we start a program of self flagellation, we should realize that our history is no worse and in most cases, far better than almost any other country.

I don't believe in trashing America, since our country was founded on far more noble principles than many others.
 

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from NW Hunter;

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government.

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796


Since the beginning of our country, America’s Founding Fathers warned of threats to liberty from foreign entanglements.
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible… It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.
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I agree with most of the above, but clearly we must keep pace with events and developments.

In 1796, we enjoyed a buffer zone on both our east and west coasts..with very little threat from lands to the north and the south.

Ships were the only way to cross in 1796.. At least a month to cross the Atlantic, and perhaps 2 months to cross the Pacific.

Today an ICBM can cross such a span in mere minutes..planes a bit longer. Nuclear armed submarines are constantly lurking just off our coasts.

...And our own planes can be used as weapons against us (RE: 9/11)

We must have forces deployed across the world, so "all our eggs are not in one basket".... ready to be smashed! All of this dispersion requires diplomacy and bold action.

If we had little or no contact with other nations, how would we be able to move such entities as Iran and North Korea with sanctions.

Sanctions only work if you can get other powers to agree with you!
 

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No, but before we start a program of self flagellation, we should realize that our history is no worse and in most cases, far better than almost any other country.

I don't believe in trashing America, since our country was founded on far more noble principles than many others.
I wasn't advocating this. Just thought we should not say anything negative about others exercising "adverse possession".
 
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