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With either my 7mag or my 7mm-08 i would confidently take any animal in N. America and all but the big 5 in Africa. Want justifacation? The .30-06 has done it many times and my big 7 is substantially more powerfull than that, and the 7mm08 is a balistic twin to the 7x57 which has been doing it for over 100 years, and by such known people as Jack Oconnor. Shot placement and bullet selection is the key, aside from that...the world is full of versitle game stoppers.
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In a pinch, I'd shoot anything with a 7. ****, in a pinch, I'd shoot anything with a .22. I've shot elk with a 7mag and would again without a thought. I'd shoot an elk with a 7-08 only if it was my only rifle and then under careful circumstances.
When Oconnor and Bell performed their feats, they didn't tell of the game left to wonder off wounded. People had a much more cavalier attitude toward game back then.
When Oconnor and Bell performed their feats, they didn't tell of the game left to wonder off wounded. People had a much more cavalier attitude toward game back then.
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Any animal that didn't leave me any other choice.......period.....
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Beeman, I love your posts but I gotta know the answer to this question. You said, "When O'Conner and Bell performed their feats, they didn't tell of the game left to wonder off wounded". I've heard that about a thousand times but to date nobody has told me what game it is. I wish someone would give me a few accurate accounting's of these accusations. This is no different that the finger pointing that goes on about the long range shooters and the people wounding all those animals with 30-30's and 243's.
Unfounded accusation's, nothing more
Unfounded accusation's, nothing more
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W.D. Bell shot thousands of elephants with a 7X57 mauser with military ball. Good thing those were the non magnum type elephants of yester year. I'd have no problem hunting any North American game with a 7mm as long as I knew the gun and the ammo.
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I would hunt all of the largest non dangerous game in North America and Africa with my 7mm Remington Magnum, with heavy premium bullets.
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Or those rumors about people wounding animals because they shoot long range, for which there is even less proof.Don said:
What "feats" did O'Conor perform with the 7x57? I've read my copy of Jack O'Connor, The Legendary Life of America's Greatest Gunwriter by Robert Anderson cover to cover several times. This tome catalogs every big game animal O'Connor is known to have killed, and nowhere does it list an animal shot with his three 7x57s that was not what most of us would consider appropriate for cartridges in this class. In Mozambique his wife killed 17 head of game with 19 shots with one of his 7x57 - not a lot of wounded game wondering off there.
O'Connor owned many big bore rifles and used them for large game in Africa and Asia, including two .416 Rigbys, a .450-400 double, a .450 Watts, a .458, and a handful of .338s and .375s. Unlike what the uninformed believe, he had a lot of rifles that were not chambered in.270 WCF.
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Fatercat, YOU, sir, need to get your facts straight. I easily recall several of his mag articles where he related how he or his wife lobbed shots at animals on the other side of wherever and scratched the animal down after several attempts. Jack O'Connor was a man, not a God. And if telling the truth, diminishes me in your eyes, I will try to bear up. (imagine a very large smiley face here)
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I will stand by my original post about Messrs Bell and O'connor. I was an avid reader of the old hunting books and if I missed an article by Jack O'connor in Outdoor Life, I would be surprised. So my post was a consensus of my feelings from reading those books and articles.
I will admit, however, that I am writing this whilst sitting on a pillow because of all the vicious bites to my backside. (imagine a large frowny face)
I will admit, however, that I am writing this whilst sitting on a pillow because of all the vicious bites to my backside. (imagine a large frowny face)
beemanbeme...cant say i agree with your assumption of Mr. Oconnors hunting ethics. Just letting it be known...not that you should care. Their are many many people on this board who are Jack Oconnor experts...this is a hunting and shooting board after all. Your assumptions are wildly against the norm so unless you have some inside track...i should think you are mistaken. Please do not take this as a flame, i just feel it necessary to stand up for a man who did so much for the things i love. Such mindless slander is uncalled for and certinly theory.
Excuse me, but I thought Bell shot his elephant with a .275 Rigby, which is identical to the 7x57 case. However, I believe he used 175 gr solid round nose bullets rounds made by Rigby that were steel jacketed, not military ball ammo. At least that is the information I've read concerning Bell's hunting.billy_56081 said:
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