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I have a flask, but have read not to pour straihgt from it to the muzzle, for loading. If that is true, then what is the best way to put a fairly precise measured charge in the barrel?

Any reference to a site that might have pics would be especially helpful.
 

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I usually measure out (actually I weigh my charges based on a weight established from several volume measures of the powder) and put the powder in small plastic bottles that just fit the bore of my .50 cal and fit losely in my .54 cal rifle. I can cap the bottles and store several in my range box for shooting at the range. When hunting I use the T/C quick load plastic holders that work the same way. I can mark the bottles with the charge weight (or volume) and the type of powder using a felt tip marker if more than one is being used the same day That way I am always shooting a very accurate measure of powder and am never exposing more than the single charge to the bore of the rifle at any time. This is not period accurate but seems to work better than any of the dispensers that I have tried. I also have less chance of spilling powder which is easier to do from a measure. The bottles are inexpensive and available from a local plastic company and can be reused several times.
 

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I've been pouring it from a horn into a brass or deer antler measure then down the bore for 30 years now. I believe this method has been in use for a while and has always proven saitsfactory for me.

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I don't think charging a weapon directly from a small to medium sized flask is a big problem. I would avoid charging directly from a 1lb can of powder.

NEVER NEVER NEVER pour powder from a horn,flask or powder can into the barrel or cylinder of a BP gun.1lb of powder is a small bomb,an 4-8oz small flask is a grenade.

This is one of the major violations of BP shooting.ALWAYS USE A POWDER MEASURE!! to pour the powder into barrel or cylinder.

I have seen a powder flask blow from the above listed violation.The Civil War/War of Northern Aggression reenactor still has powder stippiling up his right hand/arm to this day.He was very lucky and no digits lost,but many small metal fragments lodged in his hand.Painfull recovery.

ALWAYS use a powder MEASURE,paper cartridges,or those new fangled one-shot all-in one jobbers(eewww).

http://www.tcarms.com/mlaccessories/measurers/index.php
http://www.tcarms.com/mlaccessories/loadimp/index.php
http://www.possibleshop.com/powder-measure.htm
http://www.oct-country.com/
 

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I can't agree strongly enough with charcoal. Load only from a measure, NOT from a horn, can, flask or any other container. This must be strongly emphasized.

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I have a flask, but have read not to pour straihgt from it to the muzzle, for loading. If that is true, then what is the best way to put a fairly precise measured charge in the barrel?

Any reference to a site that might have pics would be especially helpful.

For weekend range trips, I use 35mm film canisters with charges I premeasure into them before I go to the range;

For hunting, I use TC's 4-N-1 Quick Shots;
 

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NEVER NEVER NEVER pour powder from a horn,flask or powder can into the barrel or cylinder of a BP gun.
I humbly retract what, in hindsight, appears to have been very bad advice. I appreciate the corrections added to the thread subsequant to my earlier post.

It does, however, raise the question of just how common it is for powder to light off as it is being introdcued to the barrel. I'd be interested in hearing from thjose who've been shooting muzzleloaders for many years as to whether this is a) a common ocurance (happens every couple of hundred loads), b) a rare occurance (happened once or twice over many years) or c) is theoretically possible ("I read on the internet about a guy who knew a guy....")

Not trying to rationalize my bad advice here, just seems to me like you stand a good chance of some nasty burns regardless of how you are charging the firearm. I'd like to get a better idea of the risk of that happening.

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I use a brass adjustable measure with a funnel attached with a screw. The funnel rotates over the end of the measure, wipes off extra powder and gives a consistent load.
 

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Loading from the flask

Let us say it only happens on an average of once in ten thousand times. Would you still do it? It really is your choice and no one else's.
If you choose to, where in the string of ten thousand is it going to happen? It could be the second shot.
I"m not addressing this to anyone who has written here, but only want to provide some thoughtful questions.
I have been shooting since 1975 and have never seen this happen, but I still wipe between shots before I pour powder down the barrel. I do this primarily for accuracy, but also because I want to remove ALL chance of a live spark in the barrel.
Safe shooting to you all,
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KTW,wasnt tryin to flame/slam you.My only concern was to save anyone some serious injury or even death,its a SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE.

The reason we use a measure is to reduce the powder charge to the one we will be using.A charge in the 10-120 grain, range,depending on your weapon application,if it were to go off,is better than 8-16 oz.

I have been shooting BP since 1983.I have never seen a weapon discharge as it was being charged with powder,except for the above mentioned flask incident.It seems old man Murphy has a way of striking when we have stacked everything NOT in our favor.

I have seen plenty of other firearm "accidents".These were all preventable if basic firearm safety protcols were followed.BP guns have a few extra protocols over fixed metallic cartridge guns.Civil war reenacting societies have safety protocols for a reason.Not worming and mopping artillery between shots or not using powder charges in triple wrapped aluminum foil increments is ASKING FOR IT.This is but one example.

Yes,IMHO it is possible for even a small powder charge to ignite.How often does this occur,I dont know,I really dont want it to happen to me,so I stack everthing in my favor.

Here are 4 simple firearm safety commandments I live by,so should everyone else.


#1 ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
a)only the weapon you have manually and visually checked is now unloaded.Turn your back or walk away and come back,its loaded again CHECK IT AGAIN.

#2 KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

#3 NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

#4 BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
 

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I have a flask, but have read not to pour straihgt from it to the muzzle, for loading. If that is true, then what is the best way to put a fairly precise measured charge in the barrel?
Handi, Is there no end to your danged troublemaking?? :-D

The measure described with the adjustable feature and the funnel on the swivel is the best you will find for the range.

Also, once you pour your powder from your flask, horn or can or whatevcer, make sure there is is cover over the powder container before you set the whole thing off. Powder cans, horns, etc., have all been set off by a flying particle of a cap or fire venting from a flint lock.

A shooter at a shoot I attended some years back was loading from a powder horn which he forgot to put the stopper back into after pouring to his measure. Gun went of and so did the powder horn!!! :eek: He was relatively unharmed, probably because he was wearing leather.
 

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I've seen it once.
It was during a speed shoot, 'bout 85,,, feller was using onna them pre-measured load tubes threaded to his horn with the valve thing?!! Well, long story short, the 1/2 pound of powder went off. The brass chards took off his index finger, they just couldn't save it, the rest of his hand only took percusion injury.. I still know the guy ,,he's a pressman at a local plant,, he does his job, good provider,..

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If that is true, then what is the best way to put a fairly precise measured charge in the barrel?
Back in the day,,when a feller bought a rifle,,he got with it', a powder measure. The measure was the best load the maker proved for the rifle.(by "volume")

handi? well, a feller can use a hole drilled in horn just so deep,,or a plugged hollow bone cut just right, or a handfull "just that big !", or a brass measure ,,or,,??
?? or he can just pour right out of the horn,,,,,,,hhmmm,,,
 

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I've been shooting black powder in one kind of firearm or another since '75 or '76 and I've never seen a measure of powder ignite while being loaded. Nor do I personally know anyone it has happened to. Over the years I've shot in many, many matches with literally thousands of people and I've never seen it happen. I am grateful. I'm simply not willing to take the chance that "it won't happen to me". It's one of the cardinal rules in muzzleloading that you never charge from a container. If a person doesn't take that chance, there is no chance of an incident, it certainly can't be called an accident.

I certainly wasn't ridiculing anyone and I'm glad to see it wasn't taken as ridicule. I also don't want anyone hurt in a sport I dearly love if it can be prevented. That's a great thing about forums such as this, everyone can learn something.

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:-D :-D It must be the weather up here in the East, but just why do some people just don't get the point of rules. Why is it a standing rule that NO LOADING FROM ANY POWDER CANTAINER or HORN is to be done! Powder is to be ONLY loaded from a measure of some type. This rule is one that is inforched at all national and state shoots that I have been to. When one wants to do his or her thing, generally that is when one is just asked to LEAVE.
 

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Well that for sure removed any doubt of pouring from the flask. :wink:

Longcruise,
Hey, inquiring minds wanna know! :grin:

How does one make a paper cartridge. I like that idea, especially for a hunt. Any links?
 

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I generally use paper penny wrappers to carry pre-measured powder charges when hunting. glue one end, insert a weighed charge, fold over and a spot of glue closes the other end.
To load, just bite and tear off one end (like Civil War soldiers did) pour in the charge, then load bullet or ball.
Very simple.

egards, Dave
 

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Handi, I've never made the premeasured "cartridges", but have friends who do so by making a paper tube on a piece of dowell wood of the appropriate diameter. Glue the bottom shut, pour the powder and twist the top is how they seem to do it.

This is a method that has been used for hundreds of years and still going strong. Hmmm.....Maybe I oughta try it!
 

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Here is some primer on paper cartridges.You can can use the proper black powder of your choice for your needs,most folks who make them are F&I,Rev and Civil war reenactors making blanks.

If its going to be a "consumable" cartridge,meaning burned in the barrel,chamber,use nitrated paper.The paper cartridge is the original pre-measured powder charge.

Find yourself a copper buddy,they can supply you with plenty of ZIG-ZAG paper.These work great for cap and ball revolvers,seat ball on top of paper powder cartridge.You only need a short pigtail on these to keep paper cartridge closed.I still have a lifetime supply from my flatfoot days :grin: .


http://www.serve.com/rbriggs/couriers/9-96/cartridge.html

http://www.17thmicoe.org/Paper Cartridges.htm
 

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Good feedback and info. Thanks. Now, would the paper wrapping on a ball in said cartridge, work as a patch? If you made one that you poured the powder from, them tore away all but the wrapping of the ball and pushed the ball down, would that work? Seems like a paper patched bullet for the BPCR.

Along the same lines, would it work for a conical that way?

Charchol
Thanks for the links. What is nitrated paper? Zig zag paper isn't nitrated is it? I re-read your post and it seems you already answered my paper patch question.
 
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