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In the event of a "social disruption" like Katrina, riots, etc. , have you given any thoughts to protecting yourself and your family? We all have firearms or we probably wouldnt be on this site, but have you planned a well rounded battery. Ive had lots of different guns over the years, for lots of different "needs" and "wants", some are very specific and pretty useless outside their specific job others cross over and are more general.

For long term survival I like "hardware store" calibers. because I want to be able to "find" ammo and parts. My AI 338 Lapua is a Fantastic weapon but Im not likely to be able to come up with parts a ammo in an emergency. Even thouugh I may give up some performance Id sooner accept a more available cartridge and rifle, like a 700P in 308. For the same reason I'll leave my Bennelli M1 at home and pack an 870 or Moss 500.

I like to think my Battery as being in two categories: Defense and Working.

For Defense I have a CAR15 (thats a M4 for us pre-digital cammie types). It pretty basic no lights (that may change) and a fixed carry handle. I use a Colt 4x scope, but nothing else.

My hand gun used to be a 1911, and I havent thrown it away but Im now thinking a Glock may come first.

I have a Rem 700 LTR in 308 with a fixed 6x Leupold scope, for long distance issues.

My Working Battery is more hunting oriented but where possible I like to use the same calibers or alteast readily avaliable calibers like 30-06, 30-30, (308), 38.357, 44, 45Colt.

What in your battery?
 

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A social event if you will , to start with a handgun , all auto's have a mag. which can be lost not to mention can break .
So a 44mag. and a 357 mag might make more sense as they have nothing to be lost and most people can use them .( you may be out of commission and depend on a wife or other for your protection .
The shotgun , something simple with out o rings or other breakable parts , an 870 pump seems best and a few seems even better as a second gun is the best spare parts bag . Maybe a 12 and a 20 .
The rifle 30 something , 308 , 7.62X39 or such , a 223 maybe !
a silenced 22 long rifle will be handy for collecting game with out causing attention to be drawn to yourself !
keep in mind to spend more on food , batteries , water and other emg. staples , the gun may be important but only if you survive and being in a gun fight ain't a good idea , so anything that helps you stay home and out of the fray is as important as the gun !
I know this ain't some exotic weapon system but when you are tired , wet , hungry , hurt and not in a warm fuzzy state of mind user friendly and tried and true will be welcome !
 

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In the wake of a "social disruption" do you really believe hardware store ammo is going to be the answer? If you don't have enough going in odds are you're just packing a very unwieldy club which is going to severely limit your ability to search for more. I don't see the need for more weapons to take care of than I can easily feed for an unknown period of time.

I know this ain't some exotic weapon system but when you are tired , wet , hungry , hurt and not in a warm fuzzy state of mind user friendly and tried and true will be welcome !
Excellent statement! Too many forget the discomfort and disorientation side of the issue. During such times you need familiarity and that only comes from repeticion or practice if you will. Stick with what you know.
 

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when the American people expanded west the shotgun was the most used weapon .
More people in WW1 died from sickness and starvation .
if you show up to early at the hardware store you will get shot for stealing and to late and you will leave empty handed !
a real timing issue to be sure .
 

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Good replies gentlemen, for sure. I use the descriptor "hardware store ammo" to mean commonly available an likely to be traded. How much food do you think I could barter with extra 338 Lapua rounds? A 22 especially a suppressed one is an excellent idea that I have considered over the years. Frankly it might have been higher on my list of "must haves" than the shotgun except for the cost and paperwork issues at present.

No I dont think if you havent stock piled before the event that you will be able to run out and fill your battery. Although some will try perhaps from your supplies, and thats just another reason to be prepared. In a violent situation a man armed with a stick is better armed than one with only his fist, but only if trained and willing to use them. Surely you may survive with only a ______, but there will be no awards for the survivor who makes it with the least equipment.

I have no problems with revolvers, currently they are high on my fun to have list, and I wouldnt hesitate to use one in a "anti-social" encounter. There are definet advantages to revolvers and autos, but I for one am clueless on even simple repairs to a DA revolver. On the other hand I can an have disassembled and rebuilt a 1911 useing nothing more than a pen refil and a glass ashtray (but that was back when Army Offices came equiped with glass ashtrays). I remember adds for the Ruger Security Six line of revolvers that emphasized how they were so "rookie" proof, that they could be taken apart with a dime AND reassembled the same way. Frankly I never tried, but I wouldnt be without a 38/357 revolver on my list.

Your "situation" will of course depend how many items you deem necessary. A large part of it will be whether you can hold up and defend your position or if you have to move. Moving presents its own problems. Do you have transportation? Do you have a destination or are you wandering? Are you traveling alone?

Weapons alone will either protect nor feed you. In even a moderate "situation" knowledge and willingness will be only supplements to preparations. The media never published it and the government never showed it, but during Katrina m,ore than one neighborhood banded together and guarded their property.

The shotgun is an excellent weapon, but it would not be my first and only choice in bad times, neither would I be without one. It offers the advantage of greater hit potential and recognizable deterrence but at the expense of bulk when it comes to ammo storage, limited range and capacity.
 

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I agree with that, 22rf may be the currency for "hard times". To that I would add 38, 9mm, 40S&W, 44, 45acp. and maybe 45Colt. Throw in some 223, 762x39. 308, 30-30, 30-06, 12ga and you have "hardware store" ammo.......
 

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think about what you folks are saying !
trading ammo ?
if times get that hard folks I sure am not going to be trading away
ammo for someone to then use to take everything else I have from me!
always remember, "Those With The Weapons Make The Rules".
 

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Just a little something else to ponder. I will not be willing to barter away my ammo just to have it used on myself. I would be more obliged to trade booze for ammo, food, etc. Then all I have to do is be patient and I can have what I want. ;D

Another key to survival in such a situation is to not keep all your eggs in 1 basket and be willing and able to move quickly at a moments notice from 1 resorce to the nest.
 

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You can live with out ammo you however can't live without food , water or medical supplies . I suspect most would trade a portion of their ammo for any of the three if the need arose .
I listed 22LR and no others for the simple reason it can be used for food gathering and not offensive attacks as well as the other rounds listed !
 

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In a SHTF situation, there is Not going to be a neighborhood Swap and trade day Lmao.. it's Not going to revert to 150 + years ago, you will be dealing with Desperate, Starving and VERY Agressive people that are coming to TAKE any and Every thing you have to Eat, or of value. If you do not have proper Food / Water / Medical and Most of all Ammo stores already, you will Not get more, and will Likely Not survive. The Have Nots will become Predators with nothing to lose, and Everything to gain, there will be no Law, and no rules. You will have NO friends, Anyone aproaching your retreat Must be treated like the Enemy they are and made to reverse direction or be neutralised. It could take a year or more before anything starts to improve. Preperation and Planning are a great Start. Education in how to survive, combined with well planned maneuvers are what will give you the edge needed to insure you and you family remain as safe as possible.
 

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Ace a valid point , after the shaking out shall we say food stores and ammo will be depleted and most will be in a mode to grow or raise food . MOST LIKELY THE SURVIVORS WILL UNITE AND HELP EACH OTHER ! This is how society got its start to begin with !
The outside help that may come could be a political interest that your group may not wish to bow to ! ( depending on magnitude of disaster ) and as a group you would have a better chance to resist unwanted "help " !
One option is to relieve ammo , food, and other things from the opposition as the opportunity presents itself !
At this point we should all realize as much as this is possible the destruction and grief we would face should make all try to ensure our way of life is protected as nothing i for one can think of would be better !
 

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ya know,i had never even really given it any thought at all about what i would do in a real serious situation like whats being discussed here...last summer we had really bad floods and as the water really started rising into town i thought S**T was about to hit the fan so i just grabbed the 500 and 3 boxes of 00 buck and sat on the porch till finnaly we had to leave. but after reading this stuff it makes me want to maybe start stocking up on "bulk ammo deals" like the 9mm and 12ga buckshot and once i get a pistol permit i will probably have a 9mm since i already have a rifle version i can keep different ammo to a minimum! this topic really has me intrigued so any other advice you guys have im all ears!!
 

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To me a "collapse" is a temporary breakdown in civil order as seen during Katrina or in some of the opportunistic riots conducted by the low life of the US. I do not believe that a total collapse of the government is possible. The caveat one must always be thoughtful of is that the police are not responsible for you protection, you are. I also believe that the creeps that prey upon people are cowards, and if you are lucky (and statistics bear the likelihood of this out) the mere sight of you with the weapon ready will dissuade the looters. Note, not brandishing the weapon, but aimed and ready to start dispatching. My focus would be the immediate vicinity of my house. I would confront a home invader at the entry point. I would nail shut and bar all entry points except for the main entrance and one rear window. I would use my Mini-14 with the 20 shot Ruger magazine in the house, outside I would employ the FN-FAL. In my mind I have established no approach zones to the house, the advancement over which would result in shooting. The entire concept is rather weak, as a neighborhood response would be needed to ensure that the homes would be safe. I believe that once the government sends in the National Guard or the Minnesota NG respond, one could feel secure. It is sad that one must think of such realities, but in the wake of Katrina and some of the rec ent opportunistic riots, such is life.
 

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very optimistic since areas of New Orleans are still unsafe , how long has the NG been there ?
 

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YA got to love the term short term , short relative to what ?
if you have supplies for 3 days 6 is long term !

we went with out power for 13 days , in summer !
on the 11 day the fire dept. came by and dropped off bottle water , nice plan but it was out of date !
at times like that think like you live on an island , bring it or live with out it !
 

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I noticed several people said 'i would pick' or 'i want'. so what you ARE saying is

'in my survival battery I have NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So,come TEOTWAWKI, what is yours, is MINE.
 

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Shootall. valid point. so,,,stop talking folks, get a properly set up AR-15 and a 1911/.45acp. the rest is detail work
 
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