new case
the 225 winchester is a rimed case like the 30-30 is
JIM
the 225 winchester is a rimed case like the 30-30 is
JIM
Why isn't there another case size??
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P-Man, you are making me crazy with this question. I have been looking at cartridge dimensions for hours. What about the 250 Savage? Rimless, same base as the .243 but tapered with an abbreviated shoulder and longer neck (good for cast). Handles the same bullet weights as the .243 with slightly less velocity.new case ??
plainsman: exactly what are you looking for this new case to do? what is the over all length you can have? what can the case cap be? Im sitting here wearing out the pages of my cartridges of the world 9th edition looking and there are lots of cases that can be made into almost anything with a little work. I believe thats part of the FUN of this hobby. Wildcaters have been scratching their heads for years doing it , amd confusing alot of us in the meantime also. Have fun their is no end to it. JIM
plainsman: exactly what are you looking for this new case to do? what is the over all length you can have? what can the case cap be? Im sitting here wearing out the pages of my cartridges of the world 9th edition looking and there are lots of cases that can be made into almost anything with a little work. I believe thats part of the FUN of this hobby. Wildcaters have been scratching their heads for years doing it , amd confusing alot of us in the meantime also. Have fun their is no end to it.
JIM
Sorry I haven't gotten back to you guys sooner!
I've been knocking this around alot lately too and scratching my head over the different cases.
It's a quest for a 'little brother' to my .25-06 that has been lengthy.
Here's some more specifics on the jobs I want it to perform:
Case: Ideally I'd like a rimless case that uses LARGE RIFLE primers. Overall dimensions don't really matter after that, expect...
Capabilities: Here's where the current cartridges seem to fall down for me. I want to be able to use bullets from 60-65 gr up to 90-100 grain TOPS. I'd settle for a 65-85gr range. I want to keep velocities down under 2,000 FPS on the slow end, as slow as possible actually. I'm basically looking for a .22 on steroids by being in .257". I would like a squirrel killing capability at the low end. Yet, I'd like the heaviest bullet to have the capability to take a shot at a deer if necessary out to about 100 yards.
From all my researching, the .25-20 is just too small for the top end. It does well for the bottom end. The .250Savage/3000 and .25Remington is too big for the bottom end and gets too close to my .25-06 for the bigger stuff.
I can't download the .25-06 enough due to the case size. I can't load up a .25-20 enough either. The .257TCU (.223/.222RM case family) seems to be as close as I can get, BUT they all use SMALL RIFLE primers. If I could get them with Large Rifle primer pockets, I think it would be a go!
I've been knocking this around alot lately too and scratching my head over the different cases.
It's a quest for a 'little brother' to my .25-06 that has been lengthy.
Here's some more specifics on the jobs I want it to perform:
Case: Ideally I'd like a rimless case that uses LARGE RIFLE primers. Overall dimensions don't really matter after that, expect...
Capabilities: Here's where the current cartridges seem to fall down for me. I want to be able to use bullets from 60-65 gr up to 90-100 grain TOPS. I'd settle for a 65-85gr range. I want to keep velocities down under 2,000 FPS on the slow end, as slow as possible actually. I'm basically looking for a .22 on steroids by being in .257". I would like a squirrel killing capability at the low end. Yet, I'd like the heaviest bullet to have the capability to take a shot at a deer if necessary out to about 100 yards.
From all my researching, the .25-20 is just too small for the top end. It does well for the bottom end. The .250Savage/3000 and .25Remington is too big for the bottom end and gets too close to my .25-06 for the bigger stuff.
I can't download the .25-06 enough due to the case size. I can't load up a .25-20 enough either. The .257TCU (.223/.222RM case family) seems to be as close as I can get, BUT they all use SMALL RIFLE primers. If I could get them with Large Rifle primer pockets, I think it would be a go!
new case
you said you cant download your 25-06 Im looking at a load in a old speer manual as I peck away 87 gr bullet 13.0 gr sr 4759 mv 1502 thats getting down there. JIM
you said you cant download your 25-06 Im looking at a load in a old speer manual as I peck away 87 gr bullet 13.0 gr sr 4759 mv 1502 thats getting down there.
JIM
Maybe I'm tackling the problem from the WRONG END...
My biggest problem is that I can't find all these elusive 'REDUCED LOADS' the old timers used!! If I could find these loads, maybe I'm looking for something that already exists.
It seems that all the new manuals and reloaders are trying for the fastest barn burners they can find. I want to find some light, accurate, slow loads for lots of 'fun' shooting at low cost with a larger caliber than .22.
The .257TCU keeps coming up as the favorite. I have some articles about the .222Copperhead and so I consider all the .222/.223 based .257's in the same family as the .257TCU as it seems to be the one that lasted.
Thanks for all the input guys. Now you have me looking for lighter loads to existing calibers!
My biggest problem is that I can't find all these elusive 'REDUCED LOADS' the old timers used!! If I could find these loads, maybe I'm looking for something that already exists.
It seems that all the new manuals and reloaders are trying for the fastest barn burners they can find. I want to find some light, accurate, slow loads for lots of 'fun' shooting at low cost with a larger caliber than .22.
The .257TCU keeps coming up as the favorite. I have some articles about the .222Copperhead and so I consider all the .222/.223 based .257's in the same family as the .257TCU as it seems to be the one that lasted.
Thanks for all the input guys. Now you have me looking for lighter loads to existing calibers!
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