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I just took my new winchester model 70 stainless in 6.5 x 55 to the range today, and was extremely disappointed at the 3 inch plus groups at 100 yards. The trigger pull is extremely heavy, but I don't think that is the only problem. I tried federal and nitrex ammo. both performed very poorly. Should I get a trigger job, send the gun back to winchester or do you have any suggestions? disappointed shooter
 

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What kind of groups are you capable of shooting with other bolt-action rifles?

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If you don't handload, try a couple of ther types of ammo.

Get the rifle epoxy bedded and float the barrel, along with a trigger adjustment.
 

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I know that in today's world 3 inch groups are not considered good, and we all expect much better. By any chance, did you buy your ammo from Walmart?

I rarely shoot a gun out of the box. I now do most of my glass bedding and free floating barrels and usually try to work my own triggers before taking the gun to the range. I usually have good result the first time out, and not disappointed by the guns poor performance. There doesn't seem to be many gun smiths around these days, and the ones that are usually have a waiting list of several weeks to a few months. Just what I want to do.....buy a new rifle and then leave it at the gun smiths for a month or so.......So I figure, if I do it myself then I can control the quality of the work and when it's completed.

I think most will suggest you take the rifle to a good gunsmith and have the action properly bedded, the barrel free floated, and the trigger worked to improve the quality and weight of the pull.

If you don't hand load, you might want to think about starting. Handloads let you tune the load to the gun and will improve the groups as well.........

The only other thing that I can think of for you to do is buy a Savage.......best shooting rifle off the shelf and out of the box that's made!
 

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the gun is a model 70 featherweight. I shot a 1/3 inch group the same day with my browning 22 hornet microhunter. The scope is a Leupold 3-9 compact. I shot 3/4 inch groups with the same type scope on my tikka t3. I do not handload. Thanks for the advice.
 

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I believe the barrel comes free floated as standard. I did tighten the hex screw in front of the floorplate a bit. Would that make a difference? The ammo was purchased at Gander Mountain and a reputable private gun dealer.
 

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My WalMart Winchester Super Shadow 270WSM shot 3/4" right out of the box with Winchester Ballistic Tip 130's I got from WalMart......... :)
 

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G-pilot, don't wrap 'er round the old oak tree yet. Try some other brands and loads and you'll probably find the combo that gives you the kind of accuracy you are looking for. Adjusting the trigger pull will help a lot.The heavy trigger makes you anticipate the recoil and stop concentrating on the sght picture.

I was frustrated with my Rem 700 when I first got it (3-4" groups). Tried some different bullet weights and had the trigger pull dropped by a smith and WOW, night and day difference. 1-1.125" groups are the norm. I am going to start handloading for it right soon and should improve grouping a bit more.
 

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3" groups is outrageous in my opinion, and all of my M70 Classic Stainless rifles shoot 1MOA with at least 1 brand of ammo.

It may be the scope mounts or the scope. Check them out first.
Then try different types of ammo. Then have a gunsmith glass bed the action and put pillars in the stock, and also have a trigger job with the pull set at about 3 pounds.

If that doesn't do it, then throw it away and get another Tikka.

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Gunpilot, Try a box of Win and if it shoots the same send it back. You start change things then you own the problem. My FWT had to have a new barrel. Well good luck.
 

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I've done some testing and the ammo from walmart doesn't shoot as well as the ammo purchased from local shops..........not trying to start anything.......do your own test...........
 

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Oh sure, they have special ammo that they sell thru Walmart. :roll:
For your information, Walmart is famous (infamous?) for buying with enormous contracts at rock bottom prices. In other words, they buy the cheapest of the cheap in mass quantities. Alot of the guns and ammo they stock are special runs for Walmart only, and are inferior to what is available in regular commercial channels.
 

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Just go get a 500 pack of remington 22lr golden from Walmart and then go buy the same thing from one of your large local stores......It will only cost you about $20 bucks.............Let us know what you think after a day at the range...............I"ve done several of my own independent tests.........side by side............used .243 and .270....22lr........there is a difference........but don't believe me, go find out for yourself!
 

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:cb2: Try the PMC ammo. I have a Swedish Mauser and this was amazingly accurate in my rifle. I tried the expensive Lapua stuff and it was awful. Of course, every gun is different, but as long as you're trying different brands, the PMC isn't too hard on the pocketbook either. Sorry you're having so much trouble with what should be a mighty fine rifle.
 

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My guess is that you have one of those "Liability" factory triggers, somewhere between 9 and 11 pounds of pull, which would be more than 75% of your problem.

I have a .308 Featherweight that had just about the same problem when new 20 yrs ago, some things never change. I had two holes about an inch apart or less and one flyer, always one flyer out of 3 which did give me a 3 to 3 1/2 inch group. The stock was making contact with the barrel about half way down and the trigger was lightened to 2 1/2 to 3 pounds. My rifle now clips holes at 100 yds. Slide a dollar bill down between the stock and barrel after 3 to 5 shots and see if you get any tight spots, if you do the harmonics change enough to throw your shots off at 100 yds. And being a Featherweight, it isnt too advisable to be shooting it so quickly that the barrel overheats.

You have a good rifle, it's just that Winchester factory standards don't usually comply with what the end user expects. You'd think that if Savage can do it with mass produced rifles - Winchester could do it also, but I guess not. If you did send it back Winchester would most likely would do nothing but tell you that it meets industry standards. But it may not hurt to call and find out for sure.

Before anyone might say that I single out Winchester, I do not. Other makers have the same problem also.... It's called Quality Control.
 

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thank you for the info! I would not buy anything at walmart. I was an employee there and know how they brainwash their employees and then treat them like #@*!. They also drive quality dealers like gunshops and hadware stores, etc out of business. Apparently customer service and expert advice are not worth paying for to the general public.
 

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Ramrod said:
Walmart... In other words, they buy the cheapest of the cheap in mass quantities. Alot of the guns and ammo they stock are special runs for Walmart only, and are inferior to what is available in regular commercial channels.
This is simply NOT TRUE. Walmart buys from the same wholesaler that your local gun stores buy from...they are NOT specially made for Walmart. That is a fable that needs to be put to rest. My Walmart buys their guns from Sports South in Louisiana....it is the same wholesaler that furnishes guns for just about all the gun stores and gun dealers in the DFW metroplex.
 

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I know that Wal-Mart sells there guns and ammo a lot cheaper then alot of places. I bought all my guns from a gun smith. He would order them and sold them at 10% over what it cost him, but Wal-Mart was cheaper then he was or about the same. I reload all my ammo so I don't worry about what it sells for. :D
 
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