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The .444 marlin is a great deer round, with the propper bullets. Shooting light .44 mag hollow point bullets, it's a deforestation round yes, but with .44 rifle bullets it's great. And not to powerfull, as he implies. The problem is, that there is not really any perfect deer cartridge. It all depends on distance, the shooter (recoil) , type of deer and other factors. So then you can argue against almost any caliber as an deer round.
 
I had a friend in college who happily killed deer year after year (one shot kills) with his M99 Savage in .243...double turd I guess, funny how he never noticed the problem with either of these things. I guess ignorance is bliss...I recently built a .243 on a Yugo Mauser action...didn't need one...more of an excercise than a requirement. Had never had a .243 or even shot one..I can see now why people would like to use them...the rifle I built, ultra light and handy, low recoil, and very accurate, so accurate that I would not hesitate to make neck shots with this rifle, whereas I wouldnt even think to do that with my other rifles (EXCEPT...my Browning A-bolt in that other turd caliber .280..which has not failed to kill in one shot over ten times in the last 15 years). Can't speak for the other rifles...but the .300 Savage is the model that was emmulated for the .308 Nato...

Oh and I didn't mention that my very first deer was taken with a Marlin 1893 carbine in .32 win special...killed that Mississippi deer pretty dead..he wished it had been a terrible deer round..
 
It's not the caliber of the rifle but the caliber of the hunter that makes the difference.
Get with in the effective range of the cartridge and put the bullet where it needs to be.

Pat
 
The person who wrote the article lacked hunting knowledge and was short on common sense when it comes to military rounds. I'm sure that he never served in the military.

The 8x57 and .303 British have killed millions of men and deer are little if any harder to kill and they don't shoot back. I have killed several deer with the 8x57, .303, 7x57, 7.7 Jap, 6.5x55 30-06 .308 and 45-70 all military rounds. All were killed with handloads except for the Norma Factory load in the 7.7.

I believe that it has been repeatedly said that the .303 British has killed more game in Africa than any other round.

Never had a wounded deer get away with any caliber, even with a .357 Magnum pistol which took two shots. Like someone said earlier the shooter and bullet placement is what matters most.

Some writers are short a few bricks in their stack is my viewpoint, and this one in particular.
 
16" 50 cal Mark 7 as used on the Iowa class of Battleship, no meat, no woods just a big hole. As said here and other places, its not what you shoot but where you shoot. Their is no best or worst cal, only good and bad shots.
 
I hunt with a Browning xbolt 7-08. During the year I spend hours at the range practicing. Bench rest, standing etc. I've yet to have a deer run more than 25 yards. This last year I put a deer down with a spine shot at 100 yards. Lucky shot-no; the bullet went right where I wanted it to go.People are so hung up on bullets they think if they have that majic bullet they'll get a deer. 98% is the shooter, not the ammo.
 
I'll second that, or third it, whatever. And Parkergun, I'm glad to hear someone else has used 303. For that matter, the idea that there is something wrong with the cartridges used by major nations in the greatest war in history is laughable. Of course, he is talking about availability of guns and ammo, but the only gun that matters is what's in your hands, and anything can be reloaded. Our ancestors used a round ball over black powder, which reminds me that I think I have taken more deer with my muzzle loader than anything else, probably because of hunting conditions. Some of today's muzzle loaders approach the power of a dangerous game round, but I'm still using an old sidelock, and it's never let me down.
 
Take one gun, in any caliber.
Take a shot, get one kill, or take a shot, get a miss.
Now which is the better?

Goes without saying (snipers have it right), bullet placement is key, everything else doesn't matter.

Read the article and take it for what; in your opinion, it's worth.

The writer did his job, which was to generate interest, whether good or bad, and looking at the posts :mad: :( ;D :eek: ??? ::) :p :-\ on this thread, he succeeded.
BTW, the posts on this thread are getting mighty ::) interesting. 8)
 
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